Nag!
"Write the next post!" Stu says. "Wouldja hurry up and post? It's been a freaking week. What ya gonna post about? Huh? Huh? Huh?"
God, I love that man.
Happy birthday, Stu.
The Next Post
Ok, I'm ready to wind up this "things that suck" tirade. Depressing. Let's sprint through this as quickly as possible.
To make it seem faster, let's do it without using a full stop.
Thank you all for your comments and insight and encouragement about my family and about forgiveness it's comforting to see people from parts far distant demonstrating love for me and my family ... makes me smile
(Ick. This is like some well-paragraphed ee cummings freak show. Sorry. I'll stop now.)
Furthermore, I agree with many of the things you said about forgiveness, even some of the things that I argued against. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to play devil's advocate; to question assumptions like "forgiveness is the way of God".
Finally, I'd like to tell you a little bit about my weekend.
On thursday, I went back to the town where I grew up; I drove down to pick up my wife, son, and a moving truck full of my parents' boxes and furniture.
While I was there, I had the opportunity to go back to church for an hour or so. But this wasn't for a regular church service. It was for a funeral.
A young man my sister's age had died - a kid we grew up with - and my dad was performing his funeral.
Now, about my dad and funerals:
My dad prepares for a funeral by sitting down with the family and listening to their stories. He compiles those stories - picks the best of them - and spends most of the funeral telling stories about the deceased. The funny stories are his favorites, and usually they're the favorites of the family as well. So his funerals end up being a combination of sweet and funny and sad, which taken as a package, usally turn out to produce a little comfort as a by-product.
And that's probably nice when you've lost someone you love. You get to spend some time with your friends, enjoying those memories, listening to my dad paint a gritty, beautiful picture of someone you're all going to miss. No obsessing over heaven, no dire warnings about hell, no whitewashing of the person's faults, no platitudes, no false hope. It's difficult for me to explain exactly what he does, but whatever it is, I'm convinced that my dad preaches the best funerals in the world.
So it was nice to get to hear my dad preach another funeral from that pulpit in that church where he's been the shepherd for 20-odd years. My sister and I came in at the last minute and stood in the back ... the place was packed.
My dad did his job: the funeral was spectacular, as usual, especially considering that these were the people who had treated him so poorly.
He had told me a few days before that he was having trouble deciding what scripture might go best with the funeral ... and as you might expect, he ended up with the perfect one: the story of the Samaritan woman, whose love and enthusiasm tapped at the hearts of all the people she knew, making them ring and resonate with the love of Christ.
After my dad had finished speaking and the funeral directors prepared to run the final slide show, I left the crowd and went meandering through the shadowy hallways of the church building. I poked my head into every classroom, trying to remember what grade I had been in when I had gone to class in room 9, trying to remember who my teachers had been.
I looked out the windows and remembered looking out the same windows with church friends who were like my brothers and sisters.
I chuckled at the paintings on the walls of the Junior High classroom; my sister had done one of those clumsy, garish things. There were her initials and the initials of her friends.
Library, a small room, with books to the ceiling.
The tiny, dusty broom closet. The black, cylindrical iron mailbox.
White columns. White steeple. White walls.
Dark stairwells, dark hallways that still figure prominently in my best dreams and nightmares.
And, of course, those people I grew up with. I didn't spend much time with them. When I had finished my tour, I went back to my sister and told her I was going to skip the trip by the casket. I would go and get the car. I was ready to go home.
Thursday, August 11, 2005
Tuesday, August 02, 2005
Things That Suck (Post 3)
For those of you who continue to follow this nonsense: thanks.
The Way of God?
I still need some convincing from Irina and company: What makes you think that "forgiveness is the way of God"?
The Story of Shimei
First, this link to my dad's take on the situation. I suspect that he means to communicate some particular message through the use of this story, but that might not be the case: he might just be tossing it out.
However, for those of us who feel inclined to back David here, let's remember that Shimei is at least being accurate: David is a "man of blood", and in many ways a "scoundrel". As David says, "Leave him alone; let him curse, for the LORD has told him to."
The Letter from My Sis
(I think it's very well done.)
To the Elders of the Church of AH,
Greetings in the name of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I hope this letter finds you well.
I know that you have received numerous letters about your choice to ask my father for his resignation in January. This is mine. You would have received it earlier, but I didn’t want it to be considered castigating.
In fact, nothing is further from my mind. I have held you all very dear to my heart–we were family.
I have grown up with your children, learned from you in bible class, attended your family functions and gone to camp with you. I have known some of you since the first Sunday my Dad started preaching at AH, a few months before my first birthday. The rest of you I welcomed into the family with open arms.
So I’m sure you can imagine how devastated I was to hear about the way my father was treated. I admit that I cannot know all the details surrounding his “release,” but I do know one thing: regardless of whatever wrongs he committed and whatever faults he had, I believe he was treated unjustly, because he was treated as hired help and not family.
I believe this set a bad example to the flock (I Peter 5:3) and was not a good way to manage the church family (I TImothy 3:5).
It is my belief that you saw your church in danger, that you were–as the rest of us–watching it fall apart slowly, inch by inch. And so you made a rash decision, lunged out to save something you love. But instead, that decision, and especially the way you handled it, caused more problems and more pain than you anticipated. We all know it caused pain in the AH family at large, and I can tell you that it has caused unspeakable pain in my immediate family and especially in my own life.
My father, as you know, has handled this whole situation very stoically and has–true to form–spent his time trying to ease the pain of the congregation and help its people to move forward in the love of Christ. The rest of our family, however, is having a harder time.
Surely you can understand that I can’t imagine ever attending services at AH again. I believe doing so would have the appearance of my stamp of approval–would send the message that I agree with your decision and the way in which you enacted it. And I obviously do not. I am grieving the loss of my childhood church, the family I have known my whole life, at your hands.
I feel betrayed by you, the men of my own beloved church family, at the treatment of my father, who deserved better if for no other reason than the fact that he had served the Lord and His people at AH for 22 years. But he has also cared for your own families in times of grief, pain and loss as well as those of celebration. And he has done no less for the other members of our AH family, who have expressed their own grief and outrage at the events that transpired in January.
And so, Elders of AH, I write to ask you for an apology. I ask you to apologize to my family at AH as well as my immediate family for how you handled the firing of my father. I am confused as to why it has taken this long, but let’s face it: AH is still in trouble, turmoil and pain. I believe that nothing else but your humility and the love of God will heal the body of AH.
But I want you to know that regardless of what you decide, you have my forgiveness anyway.
So please, for the sake of the people who we all hold dear, consider my request prayerfully.
In Christ,
(the sis)
The Way of God?
I still need some convincing from Irina and company: What makes you think that "forgiveness is the way of God"?
The Story of Shimei
First, this link to my dad's take on the situation. I suspect that he means to communicate some particular message through the use of this story, but that might not be the case: he might just be tossing it out.
However, for those of us who feel inclined to back David here, let's remember that Shimei is at least being accurate: David is a "man of blood", and in many ways a "scoundrel". As David says, "Leave him alone; let him curse, for the LORD has told him to."
The Letter from My Sis
(I think it's very well done.)
To the Elders of the Church of AH,
Greetings in the name of God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ. I hope this letter finds you well.
I know that you have received numerous letters about your choice to ask my father for his resignation in January. This is mine. You would have received it earlier, but I didn’t want it to be considered castigating.
In fact, nothing is further from my mind. I have held you all very dear to my heart–we were family.
I have grown up with your children, learned from you in bible class, attended your family functions and gone to camp with you. I have known some of you since the first Sunday my Dad started preaching at AH, a few months before my first birthday. The rest of you I welcomed into the family with open arms.
So I’m sure you can imagine how devastated I was to hear about the way my father was treated. I admit that I cannot know all the details surrounding his “release,” but I do know one thing: regardless of whatever wrongs he committed and whatever faults he had, I believe he was treated unjustly, because he was treated as hired help and not family.
I believe this set a bad example to the flock (I Peter 5:3) and was not a good way to manage the church family (I TImothy 3:5).
It is my belief that you saw your church in danger, that you were–as the rest of us–watching it fall apart slowly, inch by inch. And so you made a rash decision, lunged out to save something you love. But instead, that decision, and especially the way you handled it, caused more problems and more pain than you anticipated. We all know it caused pain in the AH family at large, and I can tell you that it has caused unspeakable pain in my immediate family and especially in my own life.
My father, as you know, has handled this whole situation very stoically and has–true to form–spent his time trying to ease the pain of the congregation and help its people to move forward in the love of Christ. The rest of our family, however, is having a harder time.
Surely you can understand that I can’t imagine ever attending services at AH again. I believe doing so would have the appearance of my stamp of approval–would send the message that I agree with your decision and the way in which you enacted it. And I obviously do not. I am grieving the loss of my childhood church, the family I have known my whole life, at your hands.
I feel betrayed by you, the men of my own beloved church family, at the treatment of my father, who deserved better if for no other reason than the fact that he had served the Lord and His people at AH for 22 years. But he has also cared for your own families in times of grief, pain and loss as well as those of celebration. And he has done no less for the other members of our AH family, who have expressed their own grief and outrage at the events that transpired in January.
And so, Elders of AH, I write to ask you for an apology. I ask you to apologize to my family at AH as well as my immediate family for how you handled the firing of my father. I am confused as to why it has taken this long, but let’s face it: AH is still in trouble, turmoil and pain. I believe that nothing else but your humility and the love of God will heal the body of AH.
But I want you to know that regardless of what you decide, you have my forgiveness anyway.
So please, for the sake of the people who we all hold dear, consider my request prayerfully.
In Christ,
(the sis)
Monday, August 01, 2005
Thursday, July 28, 2005
Geek Humor
I don't want to stop you all from sharing thoughts about rebuking and forgiving, but I want to break up all the serious with a little geek humor.
The Google bit is ethical, and the Unix bit is current events, so this isn't really off topic, right?
Don't Be Evil
Before it went public, one of Google's guiding principles was "don't be evil". Since the IPO, I've been wondering: is google still upholding this principle?
Now, thanks to the Gematriculator, we can see that google.com is indeed Very Good.

Microsoft, on the other hand...

Backstroke of the West
Thanks once again to Reepicheep, that icon of Geek Humor.

Unix Geek Humor
I don't know if anyone else will get it, but this is pretty freakin' hilarious. It begins:
The Google bit is ethical, and the Unix bit is current events, so this isn't really off topic, right?
Don't Be Evil
Before it went public, one of Google's guiding principles was "don't be evil". Since the IPO, I've been wondering: is google still upholding this principle?
Now, thanks to the Gematriculator, we can see that google.com is indeed Very Good.

Microsoft, on the other hand...

Backstroke of the West
Thanks once again to Reepicheep, that icon of Geek Humor.

Unix Geek Humor
I don't know if anyone else will get it, but this is pretty freakin' hilarious. It begins:
The War on Terror
As viewed from the Bourne shell.
$ cd /middle_east
$ ls
Afghanistan Iraq Libya Saudi_Arabia UAE
Algeria Israel Morrocco Sudan Yemen
Bahrain Jordan Oman Syria
Egypt Kuwait Palestine Tunisia
Iran Lebanon Qatar Turkey
$ cd Afghanistan
$ ls
bin Taliban
$ rm Taliban
rm: Taliban is a directory
Tuesday, July 26, 2005
Things That Suck (Post 2)
Thanks for all your advice and encouragement. I think I'm starting to figure this out. I wasn't really even sure which questions to ask before, but I think I'm gonna be naked by the end of this song.
>blink<
Sorry. Rogue meme. I meant, I think I'm gonna be able to ask some better questions by the end of this post.
Let's return to my previous "Things that Suck" post and consider your advice.
Advice
All reasonable advice. But I'm starting to notice something interesting about it. In general, those of you who call for rebuke do not call for forgiveness; those of you who call for forgiveness do not call for rebuke.
Maybe, as Emilyjane suggests, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
As a disciple of Christ, I have an obligation to consider the teachings and character of Jesus as I decide my course of action. And as I consider things, It seems that Jesus rebuked AND forgave. Jesus smacked those darn Pharisees up one side and down the other ("whitewashed tombs, snakes, blind guides") but if our theology is anywhere near correct, he also forgave them.
Rebuke without forgiveness is unacceptable: as Irina and my wife point out, Jesus was nothing if not forgiving. One of the Big Ideas in the Christian faith is that somehow, the life and death of Christ engaged the forgiveness of God.
On the other hand, forgiveness without rebuke is irresponsible. Let's consider what Jesus is doing when he rebukes the Pharisees: He's laying into the religious leaders who are destroying the faith of God's children. The Pharisees have a responsibility to nurture and love the people they serve; instead they're stomping them into the ground.
Splash Damage
The Dad (k-rewx) points out that it is often harder for spouse and family than it is for the "victim.". This is precisely why both forgiveness and rebuke are necessary.
I think this is a good (simple) Christian model of conflict management:
1. The victim's job is to forgive those who hurt him.
2. The church's job is to rebuke those who hurt the victim.
This keeps the victim from pursuing revenge, and also provides an avenue for the correction of the wrongdoer. However, in this situation, I occupy the roles of both Victim and Church. As the son of the victim, I am indirectly harmed: the victim of "splash damage", so to speak. And because of this damage to me, I have a responsibility to forgive. In fact, if there were no damage done to me, there wouldn't be anything for me to forgive. But as the son of the victim, I am not also the victim himself. Therefore, I also have a responsibility to say something about the injustice being perpetrated upon the victim.
This is a very important concept, one that has huge implications for whether we go about pursuing social justice. Sally can forgive Biff for beating her up, but it makes no sense to say that I can forgive Biff for beating Sally up. That was a wrong done by Biff to Sally, and only Sally can forgive it. Rather than forgiving Biff, my job is first of all to protect Sally from any more victimization, and secondly to help Biff see the error of his ways.
In other words, I have a responsibility to turn my own cheek, but never to turn someone else's cheek.
Doing Something
So now I need to try and figure out what this forgivness should look like and what this rebuke should look like. Paul's suggestions are helpful here: don't be pitiful, and try to do something that will be effective.
Regarding a rebuke, I wonder: What makes for an effective rebuke? And what sort of action is a rebuke intended to cause?
Regarding forgiveness, I wonder: How do I know when I have sucessfully forgiven someone? What sorts of things can help me forgive? And, to encourage me to do this hard thing, what good is forgiveness? Can't I just be angry? What purpose does it serve?
>blink<
Sorry. Rogue meme. I meant, I think I'm gonna be able to ask some better questions by the end of this post.
Let's return to my previous "Things that Suck" post and consider your advice.
Advice
Seems like a healthy, Christ-like, rebuke is always scriptural.
Bryan, Kyle, The Sis, Emilyjane, Stu
But don't try to get revenge.
Emilyjane
Throw in some scripture for good measure.
Kyle
Consider whether your actions are likely to make a difference.
Paul
Don't lose your cool.
Paul
Let them know you are sincerely struggling with how to come to terms with the situation and their motives
Bryan
Forgive the elders and let God do the work.
Irina and The Wife
Keep peace in the church.
The Wife
Consider what forgiveness should look like in this situation.
The Dad
Aggravate their sexual prejudices.
Bryan
Send them poop in a box.
The Sis
All reasonable advice. But I'm starting to notice something interesting about it. In general, those of you who call for rebuke do not call for forgiveness; those of you who call for forgiveness do not call for rebuke.
Maybe, as Emilyjane suggests, the two aren't mutually exclusive.
As a disciple of Christ, I have an obligation to consider the teachings and character of Jesus as I decide my course of action. And as I consider things, It seems that Jesus rebuked AND forgave. Jesus smacked those darn Pharisees up one side and down the other ("whitewashed tombs, snakes, blind guides") but if our theology is anywhere near correct, he also forgave them.
Rebuke without forgiveness is unacceptable: as Irina and my wife point out, Jesus was nothing if not forgiving. One of the Big Ideas in the Christian faith is that somehow, the life and death of Christ engaged the forgiveness of God.
On the other hand, forgiveness without rebuke is irresponsible. Let's consider what Jesus is doing when he rebukes the Pharisees: He's laying into the religious leaders who are destroying the faith of God's children. The Pharisees have a responsibility to nurture and love the people they serve; instead they're stomping them into the ground.
Splash Damage
The Dad (k-rewx) points out that it is often harder for spouse and family than it is for the "victim.". This is precisely why both forgiveness and rebuke are necessary.
I think this is a good (simple) Christian model of conflict management:
1. The victim's job is to forgive those who hurt him.
2. The church's job is to rebuke those who hurt the victim.
This keeps the victim from pursuing revenge, and also provides an avenue for the correction of the wrongdoer. However, in this situation, I occupy the roles of both Victim and Church. As the son of the victim, I am indirectly harmed: the victim of "splash damage", so to speak. And because of this damage to me, I have a responsibility to forgive. In fact, if there were no damage done to me, there wouldn't be anything for me to forgive. But as the son of the victim, I am not also the victim himself. Therefore, I also have a responsibility to say something about the injustice being perpetrated upon the victim.
This is a very important concept, one that has huge implications for whether we go about pursuing social justice. Sally can forgive Biff for beating her up, but it makes no sense to say that I can forgive Biff for beating Sally up. That was a wrong done by Biff to Sally, and only Sally can forgive it. Rather than forgiving Biff, my job is first of all to protect Sally from any more victimization, and secondly to help Biff see the error of his ways.
In other words, I have a responsibility to turn my own cheek, but never to turn someone else's cheek.
Doing Something
So now I need to try and figure out what this forgivness should look like and what this rebuke should look like. Paul's suggestions are helpful here: don't be pitiful, and try to do something that will be effective.
Regarding a rebuke, I wonder: What makes for an effective rebuke? And what sort of action is a rebuke intended to cause?
Regarding forgiveness, I wonder: How do I know when I have sucessfully forgiven someone? What sorts of things can help me forgive? And, to encourage me to do this hard thing, what good is forgiveness? Can't I just be angry? What purpose does it serve?
Monday, July 18, 2005
Two Assertions
1. Management is easy to do poorly and hard to do well.
I base this assertion on my experience, the experiences of Bryan and Paul, and, anecdotally, the general bungling of the Bush administration. (Guess where Dubya got his degree.) But I suppose there might be counterexamples ... anyone have stories about good managers they've known? And what made them good managers?
By the way, thanks for your suggestions about my family's church situation. I'm going to process those ideas for a little while longer, and I'll post about them later.
2. This is going to be an interesting site.
I hope its writers succeed in making themselves heard despite the annoyingly loud rhetoric of those who equate Christianity with conservatism.
I base this assertion on my experience, the experiences of Bryan and Paul, and, anecdotally, the general bungling of the Bush administration. (Guess where Dubya got his degree.) But I suppose there might be counterexamples ... anyone have stories about good managers they've known? And what made them good managers?
By the way, thanks for your suggestions about my family's church situation. I'm going to process those ideas for a little while longer, and I'll post about them later.
2. This is going to be an interesting site.
I hope its writers succeed in making themselves heard despite the annoyingly loud rhetoric of those who equate Christianity with conservatism.
Thursday, July 14, 2005
Things That Suck
Note to readers who happen to be my parents: you may want to skip this one because it's about dad's job.
To begin, a few salient facts:
1. I grew up in the denomination known as the Churches of Christ.
2. The Church of Christ is a congregational church, which means that in theory, there is no power hierarchy beyond the local church.
3. The Church of Christ has no ecclesiology to speak of. In other words, we don't have a theology that specifically informs the questions of who should lead the church and how. However, our emphasis on naively interpreting the text of the Bible means that we have some vague idea of congregational leadership by elders.
4. In addition to elders, who do their governing for free, our churches generally employ a head minister/pastor/preacher/evangelist and a youth minister.
5. For 20-plus years, my dad has been a pastor/preacher/minster/evangelist for a congregation in my hometown.
6. He's not anymore.
It's this last one that has gotten my goat. Not so much that he's not preaching, but the manner in which he lost his job.
I'll need to explain some more.
The way this elder thing works, every so often somebody, I'm not sure who, gets this great idea that we need more elders. Maybe one died or moved away or something. Then members of the congregation nominate certain people - and by people, I mean men - to be the new elders. By some prestidigitatious process, this list is filtered, and the new candidate elders are presented to the congregation. If anyone has a "scriptural objection" to the new elders, they can present it; otherwise, after some undetermined period has elapsed, the candidate elders become real elders.
Nobody really knows what elders are responsible for, but it seems to have something to do with "shepherding the flock", "hiring and firing", "spending the contribution money", that sort of thing.
Now as you might expect, when new elders come into a congregation, there's a shakeup in the existing power structure. Maybe there are now more conservative elders. Maybe more liberals. And maybe some elders become elders and discover that they don't have as much power in the congregation as they had hoped. Particularly if the church has a pastor who's been there 20 years.
What do you think happens in such a situation?
Well, being the cream of the congregational crop, the new elders behave humbly and wisely. They realize that the pastor has invested almost a quarter of a century of full-time and overtime in this congregation, a long stint in the Churches of Christ. Like good disciples, they listen to, and learn from, the experienced pastor.
Unless, of course, the elders are more concerned with their own ego and power in the congregation. Then things go something like this.
First, the elders shake up congregation. They critizize the pastor, try to dictate his sermons, and make his job a ridiculous pain, trying to get him to leave.
The pastor gets the picture. He starts looking for new employment ... employment in another field, if you please. Enough of these damn church people.
But things don't move quickly enough for the elders. The pastor is so entrenched, they can't fire him without getting the congregation up in arms. Instead, they kindly ask him to resign. Concerned by what will happen to the church if he resists, the pastor writes a letter to the congregation explaining that he is "burnt out" and will be resigning. Effective immediately. No last sermon to his congregation. No fond farewells. No hard-earned retirement.
Finally, the pious elders - who are always concerned for the spiritual health of their congregation - make a deal with the pastor: If your family will keep their traps shut about this business, we'll keep paying your salary for six months. (Of course, the pastor didn't have a contract. After 20-plus years, he thought he could trust those people.)
So the pastor has little choice but to accept all of the elders' demands, continue his job hunt and hope his little congregation holds together. As you might expect, he's going to take a heavy cut in pay, particularly since he's hunting for a job outside his field. He and his wife will probably have to move, which means that she has to find a new job, too. And the people who he would turn to in such a situation - his church - are the people who got him into this mess. In other words, things are pretty crappy.
But that was about six months ago, which means we have some distance from the situation.
It also means the statute of limitations on my ire is about to expire.
So my question for you, good friends, is this: Now that I am no longer restricted from doing anything that might be interpreted as "berating the elders", what should I do?
Should I write the elders a letter? Take out a TV ad? Send a chocolate cake?
Should I try to give the elders some perspective, try to make them feel some shame?
Should I raise some "scriptural objections" to encourage their ouster?
I keep trying to figure out what Jesus would do. Maybe you know.
To begin, a few salient facts:
1. I grew up in the denomination known as the Churches of Christ.
2. The Church of Christ is a congregational church, which means that in theory, there is no power hierarchy beyond the local church.
3. The Church of Christ has no ecclesiology to speak of. In other words, we don't have a theology that specifically informs the questions of who should lead the church and how. However, our emphasis on naively interpreting the text of the Bible means that we have some vague idea of congregational leadership by elders.
4. In addition to elders, who do their governing for free, our churches generally employ a head minister/pastor/preacher/evangelist and a youth minister.
5. For 20-plus years, my dad has been a pastor/preacher/minster/evangelist for a congregation in my hometown.
6. He's not anymore.
It's this last one that has gotten my goat. Not so much that he's not preaching, but the manner in which he lost his job.
I'll need to explain some more.
The way this elder thing works, every so often somebody, I'm not sure who, gets this great idea that we need more elders. Maybe one died or moved away or something. Then members of the congregation nominate certain people - and by people, I mean men - to be the new elders. By some prestidigitatious process, this list is filtered, and the new candidate elders are presented to the congregation. If anyone has a "scriptural objection" to the new elders, they can present it; otherwise, after some undetermined period has elapsed, the candidate elders become real elders.
Nobody really knows what elders are responsible for, but it seems to have something to do with "shepherding the flock", "hiring and firing", "spending the contribution money", that sort of thing.
Now as you might expect, when new elders come into a congregation, there's a shakeup in the existing power structure. Maybe there are now more conservative elders. Maybe more liberals. And maybe some elders become elders and discover that they don't have as much power in the congregation as they had hoped. Particularly if the church has a pastor who's been there 20 years.
What do you think happens in such a situation?
Well, being the cream of the congregational crop, the new elders behave humbly and wisely. They realize that the pastor has invested almost a quarter of a century of full-time and overtime in this congregation, a long stint in the Churches of Christ. Like good disciples, they listen to, and learn from, the experienced pastor.
Unless, of course, the elders are more concerned with their own ego and power in the congregation. Then things go something like this.
First, the elders shake up congregation. They critizize the pastor, try to dictate his sermons, and make his job a ridiculous pain, trying to get him to leave.
The pastor gets the picture. He starts looking for new employment ... employment in another field, if you please. Enough of these damn church people.
But things don't move quickly enough for the elders. The pastor is so entrenched, they can't fire him without getting the congregation up in arms. Instead, they kindly ask him to resign. Concerned by what will happen to the church if he resists, the pastor writes a letter to the congregation explaining that he is "burnt out" and will be resigning. Effective immediately. No last sermon to his congregation. No fond farewells. No hard-earned retirement.
Finally, the pious elders - who are always concerned for the spiritual health of their congregation - make a deal with the pastor: If your family will keep their traps shut about this business, we'll keep paying your salary for six months. (Of course, the pastor didn't have a contract. After 20-plus years, he thought he could trust those people.)
So the pastor has little choice but to accept all of the elders' demands, continue his job hunt and hope his little congregation holds together. As you might expect, he's going to take a heavy cut in pay, particularly since he's hunting for a job outside his field. He and his wife will probably have to move, which means that she has to find a new job, too. And the people who he would turn to in such a situation - his church - are the people who got him into this mess. In other words, things are pretty crappy.
But that was about six months ago, which means we have some distance from the situation.
It also means the statute of limitations on my ire is about to expire.
So my question for you, good friends, is this: Now that I am no longer restricted from doing anything that might be interpreted as "berating the elders", what should I do?
Should I write the elders a letter? Take out a TV ad? Send a chocolate cake?
Should I try to give the elders some perspective, try to make them feel some shame?
Should I raise some "scriptural objections" to encourage their ouster?
I keep trying to figure out what Jesus would do. Maybe you know.
Sunday, July 10, 2005
From the Episcopal Litany for Ordinations
For those in positions of public trust, that they may serve justice and promote the dignity and freedom of every person,
we pray to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
For a blessing upon all human labor, and for the right use of the riches of creation, that the world may be freed from poverty, famine, and disaster,
we pray to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
For the poor, the persecuted, the sick, and all who suffer; for refugees, prisoners and all who are in danger; that they may be relieved and protected,
we pray to you O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
we pray to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
For a blessing upon all human labor, and for the right use of the riches of creation, that the world may be freed from poverty, famine, and disaster,
we pray to you, O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
For the poor, the persecuted, the sick, and all who suffer; for refugees, prisoners and all who are in danger; that they may be relieved and protected,
we pray to you O Lord.
Lord, hear our prayer.
Thursday, July 07, 2005
Reverence?
Or, Beyond Figs and Fronds: Fruit Garnishes and Christian Metaphor

For the last few weeks, discussion on Paul's blog has focused on the different meanings we attach to the word "love". One of his readers (not a native English speaker) provided the following insight:
King Solomon's hymn. In the Orthodox Church this hymn is the symbol of Christ's love for His Church which is seen as His own body. The Church is formed by the Christians who are limes of Christ.
Ah, those limes of Christ.
As I read this, I experienced a flannelgraph vision: Flannelgraph Jesus standing next to a flannelgraph lime tree, tending his limes, keeping the good limes, and throwing the bad limes into the fire.
Flannelgraph Jesus wearing an apron, putting the limes through trials and tribulations so that they might be mushed into the perfect key lime pie.
The flannelgraph faithful singing a flannelgraph hymn, handing out limes and coconuts, encouraging the poor and destitute: "You put the lime in the coconut, drink them both together! Put the lime in the coconut ... then you'll feel better!"
This, of course, I found freaking hilarious. But then I started to wonder what our Orthodox friends would think of my amusement. Heretical? Possibly. Irreverent? Definitely.
And then I started to wonder again ... what's reverence? And what good is it, anyway?
Let's look at a biblical example from Job. For fun, we'll use the King James.
Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
Job's wife is obviously encouraging her husband to commit an irreverent act so that God (apparently short on mercy, but stocked up on wrath) will kill him and end his misery. So now you tell me: What's wrong with the advice of Job's wife? Is it the suggestion that Job be irreverent? Is it her bent toward suicide? What?
Bonus question: What the heck is Job talking about when he says we should quietly receive evil at the hand of God?
Monday, July 04, 2005
Burnt Burger Extravaganza!
I spent a few minutes of my Independence Day sitting on the grass next to a softball field, eating a hamburger. The hamburgers and softball were both part of my church's annual Independence Day Softball Game and Fireworks-Watching Extravaganza, which I must say is one of our best social events of the year. The only one better is the Abilene Idol Karaoke Fest, which is nothing less than spectacular. The singing and softball aren't so great - in fact they're often amusingly bad - but both events manage to unite the two main socioeconomic groups in our congregation, and that, in a word, is spectacular.
My church is sometimes called an inner-city church, although Abilene really doesn't have an inner city. It just has a few poor neighborhoods that most of the churches in the city try to ignore, and the people who live in those neighborhoods are the ones we pay attention to.
We also attract lots of students from one of the local Christian universities; I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's because they read the Bible in one of their courses and realize that the church at large is doing a crummy job of caring for the poor. Maybe it's because we're fairly free-and-easy about our doctrine; maybe it's because we expect our members to actually do something other than sit in a pew. Maybe it's because we have a darn good preacher.
Whatever the reason, we've ended up with these two major groups in our church: "community people", who come from the socioeconomically depressed neigborhoods around Abilene, and "college people", who are going to the local university and, on the whole, come from middle and upper-class families. As you might expect, bridging this gap is difficult, and always a work in progress. But it's a work that needs to continue.
A few weeks ago, I asked the following question:
Is there significant racism in the Christian church?
I got a few interesting responses, including this comment from Paul:
As Paul implies, this is not racism per se, and it does not prove that most church members are racially prejudiced. The segregation of the American church could be a historical accident, or it could even be that certain cultures prefer certain forms of worship.
But integrating our churches racially and socioeconomically is much more important than simply teaching people the errors that arise from racial prejudice: As my preacher uncle recently reminded me, one of the church's main tasks is to model a peaceable kingdom to the rest of the world. Where the world is bigoted, the church must show acceptance. Where the world is merciless, the church must show mercy. And where the world is frenetic, the church must show peace.
So practically, it doesn't really matter whether the segregated church or its members can be called "racist". What matters is that the church is continuing to allow a kind of segregation that Jesus disdained. (Consider how Samaritans are treated throughout the gospels.) Not only does this segregation make the church less than unified, it also makes Christians look ridiculous to the outside world, ultimately diluting their witness to the power of Jesus.
My church is sometimes called an inner-city church, although Abilene really doesn't have an inner city. It just has a few poor neighborhoods that most of the churches in the city try to ignore, and the people who live in those neighborhoods are the ones we pay attention to.
We also attract lots of students from one of the local Christian universities; I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's because they read the Bible in one of their courses and realize that the church at large is doing a crummy job of caring for the poor. Maybe it's because we're fairly free-and-easy about our doctrine; maybe it's because we expect our members to actually do something other than sit in a pew. Maybe it's because we have a darn good preacher.
Whatever the reason, we've ended up with these two major groups in our church: "community people", who come from the socioeconomically depressed neigborhoods around Abilene, and "college people", who are going to the local university and, on the whole, come from middle and upper-class families. As you might expect, bridging this gap is difficult, and always a work in progress. But it's a work that needs to continue.
A few weeks ago, I asked the following question:
Is there significant racism in the Christian church?
I got a few interesting responses, including this comment from Paul:
As to prejudice in the church, the only thing I have to note in my limited church-going experience is that the churches I've happened to belong to or visit have been basically all black or all white.
As Paul implies, this is not racism per se, and it does not prove that most church members are racially prejudiced. The segregation of the American church could be a historical accident, or it could even be that certain cultures prefer certain forms of worship.
But integrating our churches racially and socioeconomically is much more important than simply teaching people the errors that arise from racial prejudice: As my preacher uncle recently reminded me, one of the church's main tasks is to model a peaceable kingdom to the rest of the world. Where the world is bigoted, the church must show acceptance. Where the world is merciless, the church must show mercy. And where the world is frenetic, the church must show peace.
So practically, it doesn't really matter whether the segregated church or its members can be called "racist". What matters is that the church is continuing to allow a kind of segregation that Jesus disdained. (Consider how Samaritans are treated throughout the gospels.) Not only does this segregation make the church less than unified, it also makes Christians look ridiculous to the outside world, ultimately diluting their witness to the power of Jesus.
Friday, July 01, 2005
About me
Not much to say, today. Maybe I should just make a
Confession
by Stephen Dobyns
The Nazi within me thinks it's time to take charge.
The world's a mess; people are crazy.
The Nazi within me wants windows shut tight,
new locks put on the doors. There's too much
fresh air, too much coming and going.
The Nazi within me wants more respect. He wants
the only TV camera, the only bank account,
the only really pretty girl. The Nazi within me
wants to be boss of traffic and traffic lights.
People drive too fast; they take up too much space.
The Nazi within me thinks people are getting away
with murder. He wants to be the boss of murder.
He wants to be the boss of bananas, boss of white bread.
The Nazi within me wants uniforms for everyone.
He wants them to wash their hands, sit up straight,
pay strict attention. He wants to make certain
they say yes when he says yes, no when he says no.
He imagines everybody sitting in straight chairs,
people all over the world sitting in straight chairs.
Are you ready? he asks them. They say they are ready.
Are you ready to be happy? he asks them. They say
they are ready to be happy. The Nazi within me wants
everyone to be happy but not too happy and definitely
not noisy. No singing, no dancing, no carrying on.
Confession
by Stephen Dobyns
The Nazi within me thinks it's time to take charge.
The world's a mess; people are crazy.
The Nazi within me wants windows shut tight,
new locks put on the doors. There's too much
fresh air, too much coming and going.
The Nazi within me wants more respect. He wants
the only TV camera, the only bank account,
the only really pretty girl. The Nazi within me
wants to be boss of traffic and traffic lights.
People drive too fast; they take up too much space.
The Nazi within me thinks people are getting away
with murder. He wants to be the boss of murder.
He wants to be the boss of bananas, boss of white bread.
The Nazi within me wants uniforms for everyone.
He wants them to wash their hands, sit up straight,
pay strict attention. He wants to make certain
they say yes when he says yes, no when he says no.
He imagines everybody sitting in straight chairs,
people all over the world sitting in straight chairs.
Are you ready? he asks them. They say they are ready.
Are you ready to be happy? he asks them. They say
they are ready to be happy. The Nazi within me wants
everyone to be happy but not too happy and definitely
not noisy. No singing, no dancing, no carrying on.
Wednesday, June 29, 2005
Monday, June 27, 2005
The End of the Universe
I work on the fifth floor of a five-story office building. Five stories might seem short unless you've been to West Texas, and then you understand that I can look out the east side of the building and see Fort Worth, out the west side and see El Paso.
Five floors directly beneath my office, in the basement, is a large, open room. A church used to meet there on Sundays. I've always wondered what it would be like to worship in the basement of an office building. I suspect it would be a lot like worshipping in a hotel conference room, which is what I did on Sunday.
On Wednesday evening, my wife, my kid and I bade a fond farewell to the Riverwalk, hopped in the car and began our drive to Dallas, where we would have the privilege of participating in that Fabulous Waste of a Weekend that is often known as a family reunion.
On Friday and Saturday, we did some fun family reunion things, like talk religion. At one point, I found myself seated in the study of a fairly opulent house - complete with hidden room behind the bookshelf - discussing reformed theology and the racial segregation of the Christian church.
In fact, I was kind of surprised that we didn't have more discussion about religion; my sister, who is currently working her tail off in Oakland as part of the Mission Year program, had recently sent a letter to her sponsors - many of them family members - criticizing our particular religious tradition and expressing fear that the church of Christ Mafia would soon be coming after her. Those of you who aren't part of the church of Christ tradition, relax. There is no church of Christ Mafia. If there were, it would have disposed of Max Lucado long ago.
Because our religion is a significant part of our family identity, we usually have a family worship service. On Sunday morning, we all crawled out of bed and made our way to the hotel's Bluebonnet Room.
As I was walking down the hall to the Bluebonnet, I noticed that the hotel had three conference rooms. Ours was the middle room; the first had a sheet of paper that read something like, "Harvest Church International will meet in the Magnolia Room".
"Interesting," I thought. "Two churches. But we probably won't be meeting at the same time."
As I entered the Bluebonnet Room, I noticed that while it contained a folding table at the front and two groups of folding chairs with a center aisle, the Bluebonnet Room did not contain any actual bluebonnets. Also, it wasn't a room. It was the middle third of a long room that had been partitoned using those carpet-covered wall divider things.
"Boy," I thought. "I sure hope that we aren't meeting at the same time as that other church."
By about 9:40, most of the family had gathered in the Bluebonnet Room and taken their seats. We began church with some singing, which we manage without instruments and, on this occasion, which was facilitated by a fairly loud songleader.
Before we could begin singing, a chant started in the Magnolia Room, on our right. It was facilitated by a tambourine. Our songleader hurried to begin our own singing, which I felt sure would drown out the poor chanters with the tambourine, and proclaim us to be the Religious Victors of the Holiday Inn.
Then, from the room to my right, I heard an odd hum. Was that an amp clicking on?
It was. A guitar, a female vocalist and a folksy praise tune quickly subverted both the tambourine and our stalwart a capella chorus.
Eventually, everyone finished their songs and settled down into the contemplation phase of their worship. Everybody did their church thing, and we even beat the Baptists to lunch.
But something about the whole exercise awakens this odd feeling, this insistent tugging at the leg of my mental pants. It's similar to the tug I get every Sunday, when I drive past a Baptist church and a church of Christ that just happen to be located across the street from another Baptist church.
It just seems slightly ridiculous, doesn't it?
But can we do instead?
Five floors directly beneath my office, in the basement, is a large, open room. A church used to meet there on Sundays. I've always wondered what it would be like to worship in the basement of an office building. I suspect it would be a lot like worshipping in a hotel conference room, which is what I did on Sunday.
On Wednesday evening, my wife, my kid and I bade a fond farewell to the Riverwalk, hopped in the car and began our drive to Dallas, where we would have the privilege of participating in that Fabulous Waste of a Weekend that is often known as a family reunion.
On Friday and Saturday, we did some fun family reunion things, like talk religion. At one point, I found myself seated in the study of a fairly opulent house - complete with hidden room behind the bookshelf - discussing reformed theology and the racial segregation of the Christian church.
In fact, I was kind of surprised that we didn't have more discussion about religion; my sister, who is currently working her tail off in Oakland as part of the Mission Year program, had recently sent a letter to her sponsors - many of them family members - criticizing our particular religious tradition and expressing fear that the church of Christ Mafia would soon be coming after her. Those of you who aren't part of the church of Christ tradition, relax. There is no church of Christ Mafia. If there were, it would have disposed of Max Lucado long ago.
Because our religion is a significant part of our family identity, we usually have a family worship service. On Sunday morning, we all crawled out of bed and made our way to the hotel's Bluebonnet Room.
As I was walking down the hall to the Bluebonnet, I noticed that the hotel had three conference rooms. Ours was the middle room; the first had a sheet of paper that read something like, "Harvest Church International will meet in the Magnolia Room".
"Interesting," I thought. "Two churches. But we probably won't be meeting at the same time."
As I entered the Bluebonnet Room, I noticed that while it contained a folding table at the front and two groups of folding chairs with a center aisle, the Bluebonnet Room did not contain any actual bluebonnets. Also, it wasn't a room. It was the middle third of a long room that had been partitoned using those carpet-covered wall divider things.
"Boy," I thought. "I sure hope that we aren't meeting at the same time as that other church."
By about 9:40, most of the family had gathered in the Bluebonnet Room and taken their seats. We began church with some singing, which we manage without instruments and, on this occasion, which was facilitated by a fairly loud songleader.
Before we could begin singing, a chant started in the Magnolia Room, on our right. It was facilitated by a tambourine. Our songleader hurried to begin our own singing, which I felt sure would drown out the poor chanters with the tambourine, and proclaim us to be the Religious Victors of the Holiday Inn.
Then, from the room to my right, I heard an odd hum. Was that an amp clicking on?
It was. A guitar, a female vocalist and a folksy praise tune quickly subverted both the tambourine and our stalwart a capella chorus.
Eventually, everyone finished their songs and settled down into the contemplation phase of their worship. Everybody did their church thing, and we even beat the Baptists to lunch.
But something about the whole exercise awakens this odd feeling, this insistent tugging at the leg of my mental pants. It's similar to the tug I get every Sunday, when I drive past a Baptist church and a church of Christ that just happen to be located across the street from another Baptist church.
It just seems slightly ridiculous, doesn't it?
But can we do instead?
Thursday, June 23, 2005
It's Thursday Already?
Ok, Ok, I said I would post on Monday, but I lied. Gone to our national users conference for work; scarcely time to breathe, much less write.
Now it's over, though, and I have some time to reflect, particularly on things that I've eaten. The conference was in San Antonio, so we ate on the Riverwalk several times. I know this is off-topic, but if you're going to San Antonio, Texas any time soon, try the following places on the Riverwalk:
Boudro's
Fancy kind of Southwestern stuff. They make guacamole at your table. It's fun.
Paisanos
Italian. Calamari made from strips of giant squid, apparently. Don't miss their appetizers.
Italia
This restaurant is on the second level. Don't go to the pizza place on the first level. I recommend the Tortellini Victoria with shrimp. Yum.
Don't go to:
Rio Rio
Not so great. They served my margarita in a tumbler. What's that all about?
Now it's over, though, and I have some time to reflect, particularly on things that I've eaten. The conference was in San Antonio, so we ate on the Riverwalk several times. I know this is off-topic, but if you're going to San Antonio, Texas any time soon, try the following places on the Riverwalk:
Boudro's
Fancy kind of Southwestern stuff. They make guacamole at your table. It's fun.
Paisanos
Italian. Calamari made from strips of giant squid, apparently. Don't miss their appetizers.
Italia
This restaurant is on the second level. Don't go to the pizza place on the first level. I recommend the Tortellini Victoria with shrimp. Yum.
Don't go to:
Rio Rio
Not so great. They served my margarita in a tumbler. What's that all about?
Thursday, June 16, 2005
The Curse of a Cluttered Mind
Three things.
Thing #1: The frequency at which I post to this blog.
It needs to be more consistent. Occasionally, I'll drop something every day; more recently, I've been posting once, maybe twice a week. And if you care to read my stuff, it must be annoying to check and not find anything.
So here's the deal: I'll post something every Monday and Thursday. I may post more frequently, but if you've been taking periodic hits of the crack cocaine that is my blog, here's a schedule for you: Monday and Thursday.
Maybe not crack cocaine. Maybe more like cigarettes.
Maybe a foot rub?
Thing #2: Book tag! I like books. I think I'll briefly respond to Paul's blanket book tag.
Total books ever owned: Probably about 100.
Last book I bought:
What are People For? by Wendell Berry. It was a gift.
I'm reading:
Blogs, and more blogs. Also, Lying Awake, by Mark Salzman. Gift from my sis.
Five books that mean a lot to me:
These aren't all good books, but they're responsible for a large chunk of my psyche:
Red Branch, by Morgan Llywelyn
No longer impressed by the writing, but it Celtified me.
The Gospel of Mark
This Jesus guy rocks.
The Once and Future King, by T.H. White
Taste the seductive kiss of the well-written fantasy novel.
Tortilla Flat, by John Steinbeck
Eh, I just love Steinbeck.
The Problem of Pain, by C.S. Lewis
And now I'm hooked on mediocre philosophy.
And now, three people who should consider themselves tagged:
Shane, K-Rewx and Bryan.
Thing #3: A question for you smart people.
Today at lunch, a bunch of us were talking about the appropriate relationship between the church pulpit and politics. One of us insinuated that racism is prevalent in the church. Several others questioned that assertion.
So are my questions to you:
Is there significant racism in the Christian church?
And what makes you think there is, or isn't?
Thing #1: The frequency at which I post to this blog.
It needs to be more consistent. Occasionally, I'll drop something every day; more recently, I've been posting once, maybe twice a week. And if you care to read my stuff, it must be annoying to check and not find anything.
So here's the deal: I'll post something every Monday and Thursday. I may post more frequently, but if you've been taking periodic hits of the crack cocaine that is my blog, here's a schedule for you: Monday and Thursday.
Maybe not crack cocaine. Maybe more like cigarettes.
Maybe a foot rub?
Thing #2: Book tag! I like books. I think I'll briefly respond to Paul's blanket book tag.
Total books ever owned: Probably about 100.
Last book I bought:
What are People For? by Wendell Berry. It was a gift.
I'm reading:
Blogs, and more blogs. Also, Lying Awake, by Mark Salzman. Gift from my sis.
Five books that mean a lot to me:
These aren't all good books, but they're responsible for a large chunk of my psyche:
Red Branch, by Morgan Llywelyn
No longer impressed by the writing, but it Celtified me.
The Gospel of Mark
This Jesus guy rocks.
The Once and Future King, by T.H. White
Taste the seductive kiss of the well-written fantasy novel.
Tortilla Flat, by John Steinbeck
Eh, I just love Steinbeck.
The Problem of Pain, by C.S. Lewis
And now I'm hooked on mediocre philosophy.
And now, three people who should consider themselves tagged:
Shane, K-Rewx and Bryan.
Thing #3: A question for you smart people.
Today at lunch, a bunch of us were talking about the appropriate relationship between the church pulpit and politics. One of us insinuated that racism is prevalent in the church. Several others questioned that assertion.
So are my questions to you:
Is there significant racism in the Christian church?
And what makes you think there is, or isn't?
Tuesday, June 14, 2005
Those Darn Mossimos
This weekend I met Randal.
Randal looks to be in his early 50's. He wears a few days' worth of sad grey stubble, a beige cap with cloth flaps that cover his ears, and spectacles held together with medical tape. It's easy to see the dip stains between Randal's teeth, because Randal talks a lot. About all sorts of things.
When you meet a guy sitting on a street corner, a lot of times the guy wants to talk about why he's on the street corner. Or, in Randal's case, why he's coming to pick up his wife, who is panhandling at the intersection of an access road and a four-lane highway.
I've known Randal's wife, Deborah, for several months now. I see her every morning at 8 a.m., marching from her pitiful rent house to this intersection on the edge of town. She always comes to this intersection, even though it's on a highway with sparse traffic. The cops make her move from the intersections in town, she says. At this intersection she can sit all day, hoping people will toss her some rent money. But I hadn't yet met her husband.
I pull up to the intersection with two leftover blueberry muffins and a jug of ice water that Deborah had asked me to refill. Randal's bike is parked next to the concrete island where Deborah camps out, and he is sitting next to her, laughing about something.
I hand the water to Deborah.
"Matt," she says, "this is my husband, Randal.". We shake hands.
"I'm a welder," Randal says. "Least I used to be, until those mossimos came around and started taking my welding jobs."
Blink.
"Mossimos?" I think.
After a few minutes of diatribe, I figure out that the Mossimos are probably Mexicans, although they could be Italians or Russians, I guess. Whoever they are, they are partly to blame for the loss of Randal's welding job. Them and the robots.
"Robots?" I ask.
The robots, of course, are the other force responsible for the country's economic downturn. Industrial robots, the kind that make cars.
"Ok," I think, glad I brought sunglasses to hide behind. "I'm meeting a racist ex-welder."
Then, perhaps to prove his welding prowess, Randal starts telling me about his bike. It looks like a tandem bicycle, but with a sidecar. On the back, Randal has affixed a 4-cycle, 5-horsepower Briggs & Stratton engine.
"Like a lawnmower engine," I say.
It is, Randal explains, just like a lawnmower engine. But he's made some modifications to keep the engine cool.
At this point, Deborah stops paying attention to us and resumes making pitiful faces at the passing cars.
Randal, on the other hand, is engrossed in our conversation. He talks for a good 10 minutes about the air scoop he added, and how he can get 150 miles per half-gallon of gas, and how he can get his bike going 30, maybe 40 miles an hour, and how he can pull his two nephews (200 and 190 lbs) from Abilene to Tye (that's where they live).
"150 miles per half-gallon?" I ask.
Yes, he says. His motorcycle is the wave of the future, what with gas prices being so high. It's much more fuel-efficient than any car, and therefore better for the environment. But that's nothing compared to the air-powered cars and electric cars and vegetable oil cars that are coming. Why, a good electric car can accelerate as fast as a Dodge Viper! And his motorcycle is also good because you always kill the engine at stoplights.
"Ok," I think. "Add inventor and environmentalist."
"Yeah," Randal says, "My daughter had a dream about how I sold it on Ebay for $30,000. So I wrote them a letter to find out what I need to get an auction started. I thought I might try to sell it for $1,200, because then I could build another one."
"Entrepreneur," I add, smiling and nodding.
About this time, a black truck zips by.
"Get a job!", the passenger shouts, helpfully.
"If only your mom hadn't spent all her money on crack," I think. But I don't say anything.
"You know," Randal says, "the president and government and stuff think that we're over there to protect the oil. But I think God has us over there for a different reason. We're over there to protect Israel."
A zionist! I manage to pull myself together behind my sunglasses.
"Oh," I say.
Randal goes on to tell me some other things: How the river of life will be restored, and how computers are the tool of the beast, and how we will all have to give up our cash money, and have little grains of rice implanted in our foreheads.
After some discussion, I agree to put together Randal's motorcycle auction on Ebay, although I suppose this makes me his emissary to the beast. We shake hands again, and Deborah gives me an embarrassed grin. She squeezes into the sidecar. Randal mounts up, checks for traffic, and pedals his bike out into the intersection. I hear the motor start, and watch the 9-foot motorcycle race down the highway.
"Hm," I say. I climb into my gas-guzzling Toyota and drive home.
Randal looks to be in his early 50's. He wears a few days' worth of sad grey stubble, a beige cap with cloth flaps that cover his ears, and spectacles held together with medical tape. It's easy to see the dip stains between Randal's teeth, because Randal talks a lot. About all sorts of things.
When you meet a guy sitting on a street corner, a lot of times the guy wants to talk about why he's on the street corner. Or, in Randal's case, why he's coming to pick up his wife, who is panhandling at the intersection of an access road and a four-lane highway.
I've known Randal's wife, Deborah, for several months now. I see her every morning at 8 a.m., marching from her pitiful rent house to this intersection on the edge of town. She always comes to this intersection, even though it's on a highway with sparse traffic. The cops make her move from the intersections in town, she says. At this intersection she can sit all day, hoping people will toss her some rent money. But I hadn't yet met her husband.
I pull up to the intersection with two leftover blueberry muffins and a jug of ice water that Deborah had asked me to refill. Randal's bike is parked next to the concrete island where Deborah camps out, and he is sitting next to her, laughing about something.
I hand the water to Deborah.
"Matt," she says, "this is my husband, Randal.". We shake hands.
"I'm a welder," Randal says. "Least I used to be, until those mossimos came around and started taking my welding jobs."
Blink.
"Mossimos?" I think.
After a few minutes of diatribe, I figure out that the Mossimos are probably Mexicans, although they could be Italians or Russians, I guess. Whoever they are, they are partly to blame for the loss of Randal's welding job. Them and the robots.
"Robots?" I ask.
The robots, of course, are the other force responsible for the country's economic downturn. Industrial robots, the kind that make cars.
"Ok," I think, glad I brought sunglasses to hide behind. "I'm meeting a racist ex-welder."
Then, perhaps to prove his welding prowess, Randal starts telling me about his bike. It looks like a tandem bicycle, but with a sidecar. On the back, Randal has affixed a 4-cycle, 5-horsepower Briggs & Stratton engine.
"Like a lawnmower engine," I say.
It is, Randal explains, just like a lawnmower engine. But he's made some modifications to keep the engine cool.
At this point, Deborah stops paying attention to us and resumes making pitiful faces at the passing cars.
Randal, on the other hand, is engrossed in our conversation. He talks for a good 10 minutes about the air scoop he added, and how he can get 150 miles per half-gallon of gas, and how he can get his bike going 30, maybe 40 miles an hour, and how he can pull his two nephews (200 and 190 lbs) from Abilene to Tye (that's where they live).
"150 miles per half-gallon?" I ask.
Yes, he says. His motorcycle is the wave of the future, what with gas prices being so high. It's much more fuel-efficient than any car, and therefore better for the environment. But that's nothing compared to the air-powered cars and electric cars and vegetable oil cars that are coming. Why, a good electric car can accelerate as fast as a Dodge Viper! And his motorcycle is also good because you always kill the engine at stoplights.
"Ok," I think. "Add inventor and environmentalist."
"Yeah," Randal says, "My daughter had a dream about how I sold it on Ebay for $30,000. So I wrote them a letter to find out what I need to get an auction started. I thought I might try to sell it for $1,200, because then I could build another one."
"Entrepreneur," I add, smiling and nodding.
About this time, a black truck zips by.
"Get a job!", the passenger shouts, helpfully.
"If only your mom hadn't spent all her money on crack," I think. But I don't say anything.
"You know," Randal says, "the president and government and stuff think that we're over there to protect the oil. But I think God has us over there for a different reason. We're over there to protect Israel."
A zionist! I manage to pull myself together behind my sunglasses.
"Oh," I say.
Randal goes on to tell me some other things: How the river of life will be restored, and how computers are the tool of the beast, and how we will all have to give up our cash money, and have little grains of rice implanted in our foreheads.
After some discussion, I agree to put together Randal's motorcycle auction on Ebay, although I suppose this makes me his emissary to the beast. We shake hands again, and Deborah gives me an embarrassed grin. She squeezes into the sidecar. Randal mounts up, checks for traffic, and pedals his bike out into the intersection. I hear the motor start, and watch the 9-foot motorcycle race down the highway.
"Hm," I say. I climb into my gas-guzzling Toyota and drive home.
Monday, June 06, 2005
Fruit Flies
Gentle readers beware! The following article contains graphic descriptions of Fruit Fly Sex!
Single Gene Controls Sexual Orientation of Fruit Flies
This is an interesting article, mostly because it repeatedly uses the words "sex" and "fruit flies". On the other hand, it contains some particularly nasty material, including the following statement from from Dr. Michael Weiss of Case Western Reserve University:
What? That doesn't even make any sense.
The discussion about sexual preferences can't be "taken out of the realm of morality." Science can ask questions about the mechanisms behind sexual behavior, but the rightness or wrongness of such behavior is inherently a moral question.
So if you get into a discussion about homosexuality anytime soon, please disregard the wild goose of "genetics vs. environment". If eating plums is immoral, then I shouldn't eat them, regardless of whether I want to. Same goes for kissing my wife, kissing your wife, playing kickball, reading books, feeding the hungry, or having homosexual sex.
Single Gene Controls Sexual Orientation of Fruit Flies
This is an interesting article, mostly because it repeatedly uses the words "sex" and "fruit flies". On the other hand, it contains some particularly nasty material, including the following statement from from Dr. Michael Weiss of Case Western Reserve University:
"Hopefully this will take the discussion about sexual preferences out of the realm of morality and put it in the realm of science."
What? That doesn't even make any sense.
The discussion about sexual preferences can't be "taken out of the realm of morality." Science can ask questions about the mechanisms behind sexual behavior, but the rightness or wrongness of such behavior is inherently a moral question.
So if you get into a discussion about homosexuality anytime soon, please disregard the wild goose of "genetics vs. environment". If eating plums is immoral, then I shouldn't eat them, regardless of whether I want to. Same goes for kissing my wife, kissing your wife, playing kickball, reading books, feeding the hungry, or having homosexual sex.
Thursday, June 02, 2005
Put Down Yer Dukes
Sandefur's latest post regarding government and commerce was very helpful: he's obviously given a lot of thought to these sorts of issues. But sadly, it looks like we're coming to the end of our discussion. Sandefur is hanging up his blogging gloves.
In light of this revelation, I'm going to try and bring some sort of closure to the argument. I'll begin with a blatantly simple summary of our argument.
ST. PIERRE: Humans are greedy little beasts, so the government should redistribute wealth.
SANDEFUR: The greedy ones are the ones who want to redistribute the wealth! Redistribution of wealth is tantamount to robbery.
ME: I agree. Redistribution of wealth is tantamount to robbery. But allowing the market to proceed unchecked is tantamount to oppression. So redistributing some of the wealth is morally justifiable.
SANDEFUR: Your premises are bad. Capitalism is not inherently oppressive because wealth is not a zero-sum game.
ME: Ok, but it doesn't matter that wealth can be created. What matters is that capitalism excludes people from the market based on factors that are beyond their control. It's oppressive because there is no real correlation between wealth and virtue.
SANDEFUR: No, capitalism is not oppressive. Most of the time, people who work hard increase their wealth. And even if it were oppressive, trying to ensure that people can keep what they have is more important than trying to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake.
And while I'm at it - can you provide a principle that justifies government intervention in providing for material needs, but restricts government attempts to provide for spiritual needs?
ME: [Scratches his head] Well, I'm going to continue to insist that capitalism is inherently oppressive. While capitalism may increase the absolute wealth of a society, what matters more is power in a society, which is determined by relative wealth. And over time, pure capitalism is guaranteed to concentrate relative wealth in the hands of a very few people.
To address the other question: Government should attempt to intervene in the market because there is a right to pursue property, but it should not attempt to enforce spirituality because there is a right to religious freedom.
SANDEFUR: Aha! Your name is no longer Matthew, it is now Mike.
ME: Um, Ok.
SANDEFUR: Furthermore, the only legitimate role for government is to protect people's rights. It doesn't harm anyone for me to practice my religion, so the government can't regulate it. It doesn't harm anyone for me to make money, so the government can't take it. In fact, I have a right to keep it, so the government must defend that right.
ME: Anything else?
SANDEFUR: Well, capitalism isn't oppressive, viz. burgers and blankets. Also, the right to pursue property, as you've defined it, is not a right. Get your stuff together, Mike.
ME: My name isn't Mike.
SANDEFUR: [Leaves.]
After considering this discussion, I think we have two major disagreements - three if you count the one about whether my name is Mike.
1. What is the extent of the legitimate role of government?
2. Is capitalism inherently oppressive?
I'm going to briefly summarize my answer to these two questions, and then I'll be done.
First, I think that the legitimate role of government may extend beyond the protection of the rights of people. I think it may include some secondary role, such as encouraging virtue. But I don't have enough theory to back up such an assertion, so I'll just leave it until I've done some more reading.
Furthermore, I am rethinking my wording regarding capitalism and oppression. I think it makes sense to talk about a system or a society or a person being oppressive, but capitalism is none of these - it is a relationship between government and the market. Therefore, I think I would be better off talking about the tyranny of a society that chooses never to intervene in the market. Such a society would be tyrannical because in choosing never to intervene, it would guarantee that the wealthy would continue to oppress the poor.
This is because, as we observed earlier, the market does not reliably reward virtue. Instead, it gradually funnels wealth into the hands of the people who begin with the most resources.
And as we discussed before, this relative wealth corresponds to real power. Not just power to get things, like cars and Rolex watches, but the power to make people do things. Sometimes this power is expressed in multimillion-dollar advertising campaigns. Sometimes in controlling the work lives of thousands of employees. Sometimes in bribing politicians. But this economic power is as real as physical power, and often more effective.
This, I think, is one thing about the libertarian position that really bothers me. Economic power and physical power are treated entirely differently.
In other words, it's OK for the government to have a monopoly on violent coercion, because then it can protect me from Big Joe who would walk in, beat me up and take my stuff. But it's wicked for the government to attempt to redistribute a little wealth, much less control the means of production, even though this would protect Poor Joe from wealthy me!
So to answer badger's question, yes, I do think it's useful to seek rational principles that could moderate the government's role in religion and economics. If nothing else, the seeking exposes our own ignorance or prejudice. If we're lucky, it may even help us decide how to vote.
Therefore, I'm going to bid a fond farewell to Timothy Sandefur, and hope that we meet more interesting people like him as this blog continues.
Or maybe I could bait Sandefur into coming back.
ME: Ayn Rand sucks!
In light of this revelation, I'm going to try and bring some sort of closure to the argument. I'll begin with a blatantly simple summary of our argument.
ST. PIERRE: Humans are greedy little beasts, so the government should redistribute wealth.
SANDEFUR: The greedy ones are the ones who want to redistribute the wealth! Redistribution of wealth is tantamount to robbery.
ME: I agree. Redistribution of wealth is tantamount to robbery. But allowing the market to proceed unchecked is tantamount to oppression. So redistributing some of the wealth is morally justifiable.
SANDEFUR: Your premises are bad. Capitalism is not inherently oppressive because wealth is not a zero-sum game.
ME: Ok, but it doesn't matter that wealth can be created. What matters is that capitalism excludes people from the market based on factors that are beyond their control. It's oppressive because there is no real correlation between wealth and virtue.
SANDEFUR: No, capitalism is not oppressive. Most of the time, people who work hard increase their wealth. And even if it were oppressive, trying to ensure that people can keep what they have is more important than trying to ensure that everyone gets a fair shake.
And while I'm at it - can you provide a principle that justifies government intervention in providing for material needs, but restricts government attempts to provide for spiritual needs?
ME: [Scratches his head] Well, I'm going to continue to insist that capitalism is inherently oppressive. While capitalism may increase the absolute wealth of a society, what matters more is power in a society, which is determined by relative wealth. And over time, pure capitalism is guaranteed to concentrate relative wealth in the hands of a very few people.
To address the other question: Government should attempt to intervene in the market because there is a right to pursue property, but it should not attempt to enforce spirituality because there is a right to religious freedom.
SANDEFUR: Aha! Your name is no longer Matthew, it is now Mike.
ME: Um, Ok.
SANDEFUR: Furthermore, the only legitimate role for government is to protect people's rights. It doesn't harm anyone for me to practice my religion, so the government can't regulate it. It doesn't harm anyone for me to make money, so the government can't take it. In fact, I have a right to keep it, so the government must defend that right.
ME: Anything else?
SANDEFUR: Well, capitalism isn't oppressive, viz. burgers and blankets. Also, the right to pursue property, as you've defined it, is not a right. Get your stuff together, Mike.
ME: My name isn't Mike.
SANDEFUR: [Leaves.]
After considering this discussion, I think we have two major disagreements - three if you count the one about whether my name is Mike.
1. What is the extent of the legitimate role of government?
2. Is capitalism inherently oppressive?
I'm going to briefly summarize my answer to these two questions, and then I'll be done.
First, I think that the legitimate role of government may extend beyond the protection of the rights of people. I think it may include some secondary role, such as encouraging virtue. But I don't have enough theory to back up such an assertion, so I'll just leave it until I've done some more reading.
Furthermore, I am rethinking my wording regarding capitalism and oppression. I think it makes sense to talk about a system or a society or a person being oppressive, but capitalism is none of these - it is a relationship between government and the market. Therefore, I think I would be better off talking about the tyranny of a society that chooses never to intervene in the market. Such a society would be tyrannical because in choosing never to intervene, it would guarantee that the wealthy would continue to oppress the poor.
This is because, as we observed earlier, the market does not reliably reward virtue. Instead, it gradually funnels wealth into the hands of the people who begin with the most resources.
And as we discussed before, this relative wealth corresponds to real power. Not just power to get things, like cars and Rolex watches, but the power to make people do things. Sometimes this power is expressed in multimillion-dollar advertising campaigns. Sometimes in controlling the work lives of thousands of employees. Sometimes in bribing politicians. But this economic power is as real as physical power, and often more effective.
This, I think, is one thing about the libertarian position that really bothers me. Economic power and physical power are treated entirely differently.
In other words, it's OK for the government to have a monopoly on violent coercion, because then it can protect me from Big Joe who would walk in, beat me up and take my stuff. But it's wicked for the government to attempt to redistribute a little wealth, much less control the means of production, even though this would protect Poor Joe from wealthy me!
So to answer badger's question, yes, I do think it's useful to seek rational principles that could moderate the government's role in religion and economics. If nothing else, the seeking exposes our own ignorance or prejudice. If we're lucky, it may even help us decide how to vote.
Therefore, I'm going to bid a fond farewell to Timothy Sandefur, and hope that we meet more interesting people like him as this blog continues.
Or maybe I could bait Sandefur into coming back.
ME: Ayn Rand sucks!
Friday, May 20, 2005
Why I'm going fishing on Sunday morning
Aaaand we're back. After spending a series of weekends traipsing across the height and breadth of Texas visiting relatives, my 4-month-old son has discovered a deep theological truth: Carseats are hell.
Now be forewarned: This post is going to be fairly lengthy, because I'm returning to my endlessly diverting discussion with Sandefur and St. Pierre.
In a recent post, Sandefur poses a question for me:
A few paragraphs later, he recasts the question:
Before I seriously engage this question, l'd like to juxtapose it with our previous discussion of taxation, social services and capitalism. In previous posts, we've been discussing whether it is a good idea for a government to tax people to pay for social services. I use the vague phrase "good idea" here because I can't come up with anything more specific. Sometimes we seem to be arguing that such taxation is (or is not) morally justifiable; in fact, this was what I tried to do in my "thieves and oppressors" post. More often, though, we seem to be arguing about whether such taxation would be (or would not be) part of the Best Possible Government. I suppose the moral justification argument would be an important part of this argument, because we would want our ideal government to be completely morally justifiable. Therefore, I'd like to make a few more comments on moral justifiability before I move on.
My argument for the moral justifiability of social programs leans heavily on another argument: namely, that free-market capitalism is inherently oppressive. In the interest of clarity, let's pause here to define some terms.
When I use the phrase "free-market capitalism", I am referring to a relationship between government and commerce. Namely, I am referring to the relationship in which government makes no laws regarding commerce. In a free-market system, there would be no tariffs, no regulation of monopolies, no minimum wage. To maintain this relationship, the government might go so far as to include in its constitution a restriction such as: "Congress shall make no law respecting commerce." While nothing about free-market capitalism prohibits the creation of social programs by the government, income taxes and social insurance would probably have the deck stacked against them.
When I use the term "communism", I am referring to a relationship between government and commerce in which the government controls the means of production. Factories, refineries, electrical utilities: all are owned by the government. In this system the government is a social program, hence the sister term "socialism".
Now from a moral standpoint, capitalism is flawed in two significant ways: First, it imperfectly rewards virtue, and sometimes rewards vice. I may work 15-hour days to make my small grocery succeed, but if a mountain of capital such as Wal-Mart moves in down the street, all that hard work is for nothing. Meanwhile, a factory boss gets wealthy by exploiting poor workers.
Second, in a capitalistic system, power inevitably shifts from many people to few people. This is because capitalism is a resource game, and those who have resources are best equipped to get resources. This traps the poor in what's sometimes called the poverty cycle, a well of no resources from which they are unable to escape. And while overall economic lift may occur when the rich choose to invest their money (as Sandefur argues), those who have resources will continue to gain more resources, and the wealth gap in the society will continue to grow.
The distinction between overall wealth and relative wealth is critically important here. Overall wealth determines comfort, but relative wealth determines power. Because wealth gradually shifts toward people who began with the most resources, power is gradually funneled into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
If you don't buy this, take a moment to think about the effect of the compound interest. Let's say I start with $1000 and you start with $10. If we both simply stick our money in savings accounts that earn 2% interest, this is what we get:
Year 0: difference of $990
Year 1: difference of $1009.98
Year 25: difference of appx. $1600
So even if the wealthy had no resources other than money, the wealth gap would continue to grow.
But I digress. My point is that it's morally justifiable to tax rich people to pay for social programs if the social programs helped relieve some of the moral problems inherent in free-market capitalism. And my point before that was that Sandefur's question about church bypasses the moral justification debate and takes us back to the wider debate about the Best Possible Government.
So now I'm going to attempt to answer Sandefur's question: What principle justifies my saying that the BPG should include social programs but not "spiritual" programs?
I'll begin by mentioning that the BPG discussion is not one of constitutional law. While I wholeheartedly agree with Sandefur when he says that the Constitution is a spectacular bit of design, the particulars of our constitution don't matter in this discussion, because we're talking about the government that ought to be. Therefore, I can't simply answer his question by saying, "Forcing people to go to church is unacceptable because the First Amendment has an establishment clause prohibiting such laws, but there is no comparable restriction on the redistribution of income."
But now I must apologize to Sandefur, because I'm about to utterly demolish his argument, completely shatter it, brutalize it and make it cry for its mommy.
The principle that justifies social programs and prohibits religious programs IS ...
Um ... yeah. I can't think of one. And the more I think, the more I am convinced: I can't come up with a single principle that always provides justification for social programs and always prevents the government from forcing people to go to church.
The simplest thing I can come up with is this list of four assertions.
1) The government should never infringe upon the rights of its citizens, except when these rights conflict.
2) The right to be free from religious coercion is a legitimate right.
3) The right to keep one's property is a legitimate right.
4) The right to pursue property is a legitimate right.
Some comments on each of these assertions:
Protection of Rights
I don't think this needs much explanation. Randal has a right to bear arms, but if he begins interfering with peoples' right to live, the government is justified in taking Randal's guns.
Religious Freedom
This means that people should be able to freely practice their religion, but possibly more importantly, it means that the government should never force people to participate in any sort of religious activity. While I think that a few people might be more virtuous people, and have better lives, if they were forced to go to church, I think that most of the population's virtue and quality of life would be unaffected. Besides, putting the power of government together with the power of religion results in a concentration of power that is just too dangerous to be allowed.
Right to Property
Here's where things start to get all messy. Most of us believe that people have a right to keep their property, which probably includes their income. However, we tend to think it's OK for the government to deprive people of their property if the people are given some sort of due process and convicted of obtaining that property illegally. This suggests that there is some relationship between a person's right to property and the virtue that was involved in obtaining that property.
Now I'm not suggesting that the government should be able to sail in and take money from pornographers because James Dobson says pornography is wicked. I am simply asserting that there is some sort of connection between virtue and property rights.
This is significant, because it means that if we assume wealth is primarily a result of virtue, we tend to support a strong right to property. If, on the other hand, we suppose that wealth is primarily a result of chance, or of a particular economic system, we tend to support a weaker right to property. This affects how we view the relationship between the right to property and the next right I'll discuss.
Right to Pursue Property
In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson offers as important rights "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", modifying John Locke's triad of rights - life, liberty, and property*. (To be fair, Locke also wrote a few things about the pursuit of happiness.) This encourages some people to posit a "right to pursue property".
In protecting the right to property, the government has both negative and positive responsibilities. It must not take people's property itself, and it also must ensure that people are able to keep the property they have. Similarly, the right to pursue happiness has a negative and a positive side. The government must ensure that it is not itself a significant impediment to the pursuit of happiness, and must work to create a society in which all of its citizens have the chance to pursue happiness.
Somewhere between the two lies the right to pursue property. It is a less ambitious right than the right to pursue happiness, but more difficult to ensure than the right to keep one's property. In the context of this discussion, I think it may be better understood as "the right to an opportunity to increase one's wealth". And in a purely capitalistic society, the poor have no significant opportunity to increase their relative wealth. Therefore, a capitalistic society contains an inherent a conflict of rights.
So what?
If all four of these assertions stand, then it becomes clear why I support government-driven social programs and do not support forcing everyone to go to church. If there is a right to be free from religious coercion, but no right to learn virtue, then the government should respect the right to be free from religious coercion.
And if there is a right to property, and also a right to pursue property, then taxation presents a legitimate conflict of rights - in fact, it's a double bind. You can't allow the wealth gap to continue to widen because it deprives more and more people of their right to participate in the market. On the other hand, you can't take money from people and give it to other people without threatening the right to property.
And as I have asserted in previous posts, the right thing to do in this situation is to split the middle. A government that chooses capitalism as its economic system has a moral obligation to address the harms of poverty, and attempt to break the cycle of poverty. But because its citizens also have a right to the property they have already acquired, it must also attempt to protect the right to property when gathering wealth from its citizens.
*Some people suggest that the original draft of the Declaration of Independence read "life, liberty and the pursuit of property", rather than "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." However, when I look at the draft, I can't see any evidence that this is so.
Now be forewarned: This post is going to be fairly lengthy, because I'm returning to my endlessly diverting discussion with Sandefur and St. Pierre.
In a recent post, Sandefur poses a question for me:
Continuing our conversation about the market, virtue, and everything, I have a question: should people be forced to join a church?
It can’t be reasonably argued that every person-or even that most people-for whom religion isn’t an important part of life is a convinced atheist. Instead, the discrepancy is largely the result of ignorance: people who haven’t read the Bible; who haven’t attended church when they were kids; who don’t really know what Christianity is all about. You might say these people have been “crippled,” in a sense, by their families or surroundings, in that they will live and die without really being exposed to the teachings of God. This is certainly not fair to these people. They may not know it, but they are in serious moral and personal danger, through no fault of their own. Should this not be remedied by forcing people to attend church?
A few paragraphs later, he recasts the question:
On what principle ... can we say that “society” should be responsible for people’s material needs, but should leave them free to run their own lives when it comes to their spiritual needs?
Before I seriously engage this question, l'd like to juxtapose it with our previous discussion of taxation, social services and capitalism. In previous posts, we've been discussing whether it is a good idea for a government to tax people to pay for social services. I use the vague phrase "good idea" here because I can't come up with anything more specific. Sometimes we seem to be arguing that such taxation is (or is not) morally justifiable; in fact, this was what I tried to do in my "thieves and oppressors" post. More often, though, we seem to be arguing about whether such taxation would be (or would not be) part of the Best Possible Government. I suppose the moral justification argument would be an important part of this argument, because we would want our ideal government to be completely morally justifiable. Therefore, I'd like to make a few more comments on moral justifiability before I move on.
My argument for the moral justifiability of social programs leans heavily on another argument: namely, that free-market capitalism is inherently oppressive. In the interest of clarity, let's pause here to define some terms.
When I use the phrase "free-market capitalism", I am referring to a relationship between government and commerce. Namely, I am referring to the relationship in which government makes no laws regarding commerce. In a free-market system, there would be no tariffs, no regulation of monopolies, no minimum wage. To maintain this relationship, the government might go so far as to include in its constitution a restriction such as: "Congress shall make no law respecting commerce." While nothing about free-market capitalism prohibits the creation of social programs by the government, income taxes and social insurance would probably have the deck stacked against them.
When I use the term "communism", I am referring to a relationship between government and commerce in which the government controls the means of production. Factories, refineries, electrical utilities: all are owned by the government. In this system the government is a social program, hence the sister term "socialism".
Now from a moral standpoint, capitalism is flawed in two significant ways: First, it imperfectly rewards virtue, and sometimes rewards vice. I may work 15-hour days to make my small grocery succeed, but if a mountain of capital such as Wal-Mart moves in down the street, all that hard work is for nothing. Meanwhile, a factory boss gets wealthy by exploiting poor workers.
Second, in a capitalistic system, power inevitably shifts from many people to few people. This is because capitalism is a resource game, and those who have resources are best equipped to get resources. This traps the poor in what's sometimes called the poverty cycle, a well of no resources from which they are unable to escape. And while overall economic lift may occur when the rich choose to invest their money (as Sandefur argues), those who have resources will continue to gain more resources, and the wealth gap in the society will continue to grow.
The distinction between overall wealth and relative wealth is critically important here. Overall wealth determines comfort, but relative wealth determines power. Because wealth gradually shifts toward people who began with the most resources, power is gradually funneled into the hands of fewer and fewer people.
If you don't buy this, take a moment to think about the effect of the compound interest. Let's say I start with $1000 and you start with $10. If we both simply stick our money in savings accounts that earn 2% interest, this is what we get:
Year 0: difference of $990
Year 1: difference of $1009.98
Year 25: difference of appx. $1600
So even if the wealthy had no resources other than money, the wealth gap would continue to grow.
But I digress. My point is that it's morally justifiable to tax rich people to pay for social programs if the social programs helped relieve some of the moral problems inherent in free-market capitalism. And my point before that was that Sandefur's question about church bypasses the moral justification debate and takes us back to the wider debate about the Best Possible Government.
So now I'm going to attempt to answer Sandefur's question: What principle justifies my saying that the BPG should include social programs but not "spiritual" programs?
I'll begin by mentioning that the BPG discussion is not one of constitutional law. While I wholeheartedly agree with Sandefur when he says that the Constitution is a spectacular bit of design, the particulars of our constitution don't matter in this discussion, because we're talking about the government that ought to be. Therefore, I can't simply answer his question by saying, "Forcing people to go to church is unacceptable because the First Amendment has an establishment clause prohibiting such laws, but there is no comparable restriction on the redistribution of income."
But now I must apologize to Sandefur, because I'm about to utterly demolish his argument, completely shatter it, brutalize it and make it cry for its mommy.
The principle that justifies social programs and prohibits religious programs IS ...
Um ... yeah. I can't think of one. And the more I think, the more I am convinced: I can't come up with a single principle that always provides justification for social programs and always prevents the government from forcing people to go to church.
The simplest thing I can come up with is this list of four assertions.
1) The government should never infringe upon the rights of its citizens, except when these rights conflict.
2) The right to be free from religious coercion is a legitimate right.
3) The right to keep one's property is a legitimate right.
4) The right to pursue property is a legitimate right.
Some comments on each of these assertions:
Protection of Rights
I don't think this needs much explanation. Randal has a right to bear arms, but if he begins interfering with peoples' right to live, the government is justified in taking Randal's guns.
Religious Freedom
This means that people should be able to freely practice their religion, but possibly more importantly, it means that the government should never force people to participate in any sort of religious activity. While I think that a few people might be more virtuous people, and have better lives, if they were forced to go to church, I think that most of the population's virtue and quality of life would be unaffected. Besides, putting the power of government together with the power of religion results in a concentration of power that is just too dangerous to be allowed.
Right to Property
Here's where things start to get all messy. Most of us believe that people have a right to keep their property, which probably includes their income. However, we tend to think it's OK for the government to deprive people of their property if the people are given some sort of due process and convicted of obtaining that property illegally. This suggests that there is some relationship between a person's right to property and the virtue that was involved in obtaining that property.
Now I'm not suggesting that the government should be able to sail in and take money from pornographers because James Dobson says pornography is wicked. I am simply asserting that there is some sort of connection between virtue and property rights.
This is significant, because it means that if we assume wealth is primarily a result of virtue, we tend to support a strong right to property. If, on the other hand, we suppose that wealth is primarily a result of chance, or of a particular economic system, we tend to support a weaker right to property. This affects how we view the relationship between the right to property and the next right I'll discuss.
Right to Pursue Property
In the Declaration of Independence, Jefferson offers as important rights "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", modifying John Locke's triad of rights - life, liberty, and property*. (To be fair, Locke also wrote a few things about the pursuit of happiness.) This encourages some people to posit a "right to pursue property".
In protecting the right to property, the government has both negative and positive responsibilities. It must not take people's property itself, and it also must ensure that people are able to keep the property they have. Similarly, the right to pursue happiness has a negative and a positive side. The government must ensure that it is not itself a significant impediment to the pursuit of happiness, and must work to create a society in which all of its citizens have the chance to pursue happiness.
Somewhere between the two lies the right to pursue property. It is a less ambitious right than the right to pursue happiness, but more difficult to ensure than the right to keep one's property. In the context of this discussion, I think it may be better understood as "the right to an opportunity to increase one's wealth". And in a purely capitalistic society, the poor have no significant opportunity to increase their relative wealth. Therefore, a capitalistic society contains an inherent a conflict of rights.
So what?
If all four of these assertions stand, then it becomes clear why I support government-driven social programs and do not support forcing everyone to go to church. If there is a right to be free from religious coercion, but no right to learn virtue, then the government should respect the right to be free from religious coercion.
And if there is a right to property, and also a right to pursue property, then taxation presents a legitimate conflict of rights - in fact, it's a double bind. You can't allow the wealth gap to continue to widen because it deprives more and more people of their right to participate in the market. On the other hand, you can't take money from people and give it to other people without threatening the right to property.
And as I have asserted in previous posts, the right thing to do in this situation is to split the middle. A government that chooses capitalism as its economic system has a moral obligation to address the harms of poverty, and attempt to break the cycle of poverty. But because its citizens also have a right to the property they have already acquired, it must also attempt to protect the right to property when gathering wealth from its citizens.
*Some people suggest that the original draft of the Declaration of Independence read "life, liberty and the pursuit of property", rather than "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." However, when I look at the draft, I can't see any evidence that this is so.
Thursday, May 12, 2005
In the meantime...
(Update: Two posts from Sandefur, here and here. Responses coming as soon as I can get enough time to form a coherent thought.)
'Bout to be out of the loop for a few days.
In the meantime, here's something from Mike Cope's blog that you can chew on.
The Christian Affirmation document is at www.christianaffirmation.org.
And yes, "Christian Affirmation" seems to be an Orwellian name. Those of you who grew up in the Church of Christ tradition will probably get it. The rest of you will think it's the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen.
Feel free to discuss, but please forego any disparaging comments about signatory James Thompson's moustache.
'Bout to be out of the loop for a few days.
In the meantime, here's something from Mike Cope's blog that you can chew on.
The Christian Affirmation document is at www.christianaffirmation.org.
And yes, "Christian Affirmation" seems to be an Orwellian name. Those of you who grew up in the Church of Christ tradition will probably get it. The rest of you will think it's the most ridiculous thing you've ever seen.
Feel free to discuss, but please forego any disparaging comments about signatory James Thompson's moustache.
Wednesday, May 11, 2005
Ante up!
Sandefur makes two good arguments challenging my previous post.
First, he argues against my premise that life is, on some level, a competition for resources. He points out that in modern society, wealth is not a zero-sum game. So as I make money, I am not necessarily taking it away from other people. In fact, if I invest the money (in a business or bank) I may be providing other people with the opportunity to make money.
This is an excellent point, because it encourages us to refine our thinking about economics. If Ann has 1000 businesses, or even 1000 Rolex watches, there's no reason to believe that she is doing the society any harm. In fact, if Ann has 1000 businesses, she's probably improving the standard of living for the people around her.
The obvious question is: If money can be created, why don't we all have as much money as we want? And why do whites have proportionally more money than blacks?
I suspect that Sandefur would attempt to explain this disparity based on virtue. In other words, the rich are more virtuous than the poor - they work harder - and therefore they have more money. (I doubt that he would go so far as to assert that whites have proportionally more virtue than blacks.) But having some personal experience with the poor, I feel justified in saying that this explanation is inadequate. We cannot characterize the poor as "moochers" and "looters". Some poor people are lazy. But some rich people are lazy, too. And some poor people work extremely hard. So I don't think that this explanation is sufficient.
Instead, I would argue that our current distribution of resources has little to do with virtue and more to do with the fact that you must have resources to get resources. If this is true, my first premise stands: Life really is a competition for resources, and some of us start out so far behind that we can't compete.
Second, he questions my use of the word "oppression". How can free-market capitalism be characterized as oppressing the poor?
Pure capitalism is oppressive because it excludes the poor from the market based on factors that are beyond their control. In particular, it excludes them based on poor schooling, bad family life, skin color, weak social connections, and lack of capital. People with mental and physical disabilities are also marginalized.
Capitalism might work perfectly if everyone started out with equal resources. But in the current system, you have to ante up to play, and a lot of people can't make the ante. If you realize this, and allow the system to continue unmodified, I think it would be fair to characterize you as oppressing the poor.
Now if Sandefur disagrees and says that the poor have equal opportunities to generate wealth, this is the point we will have to debate. But if he agrees, we can ask another question that I think is more interesting: How should we change the current system?
Briefly, I'll state my opinion.
First, I think that we should create government programs that mitigate the immediate harms that result from the imbalance of resources. Government-sponsored health care would be one such program. Welfare would be another.
But I also think that we should work to re-balance the system by empowering the poor. As a society, we should help the poor get resources - such as healthy families and good schooling - that will really help them play in the market. Creating these valuable resources, more than handing out money, will help alleviate our oppression of the poor.
(Update: new posts from St. Pierre and Sandefur. And guys, please try to spell Sandefur's name right.)
First, he argues against my premise that life is, on some level, a competition for resources. He points out that in modern society, wealth is not a zero-sum game. So as I make money, I am not necessarily taking it away from other people. In fact, if I invest the money (in a business or bank) I may be providing other people with the opportunity to make money.
This is an excellent point, because it encourages us to refine our thinking about economics. If Ann has 1000 businesses, or even 1000 Rolex watches, there's no reason to believe that she is doing the society any harm. In fact, if Ann has 1000 businesses, she's probably improving the standard of living for the people around her.
The obvious question is: If money can be created, why don't we all have as much money as we want? And why do whites have proportionally more money than blacks?
I suspect that Sandefur would attempt to explain this disparity based on virtue. In other words, the rich are more virtuous than the poor - they work harder - and therefore they have more money. (I doubt that he would go so far as to assert that whites have proportionally more virtue than blacks.) But having some personal experience with the poor, I feel justified in saying that this explanation is inadequate. We cannot characterize the poor as "moochers" and "looters". Some poor people are lazy. But some rich people are lazy, too. And some poor people work extremely hard. So I don't think that this explanation is sufficient.
Instead, I would argue that our current distribution of resources has little to do with virtue and more to do with the fact that you must have resources to get resources. If this is true, my first premise stands: Life really is a competition for resources, and some of us start out so far behind that we can't compete.
Second, he questions my use of the word "oppression". How can free-market capitalism be characterized as oppressing the poor?
Pure capitalism is oppressive because it excludes the poor from the market based on factors that are beyond their control. In particular, it excludes them based on poor schooling, bad family life, skin color, weak social connections, and lack of capital. People with mental and physical disabilities are also marginalized.
Capitalism might work perfectly if everyone started out with equal resources. But in the current system, you have to ante up to play, and a lot of people can't make the ante. If you realize this, and allow the system to continue unmodified, I think it would be fair to characterize you as oppressing the poor.
Now if Sandefur disagrees and says that the poor have equal opportunities to generate wealth, this is the point we will have to debate. But if he agrees, we can ask another question that I think is more interesting: How should we change the current system?
Briefly, I'll state my opinion.
First, I think that we should create government programs that mitigate the immediate harms that result from the imbalance of resources. Government-sponsored health care would be one such program. Welfare would be another.
But I also think that we should work to re-balance the system by empowering the poor. As a society, we should help the poor get resources - such as healthy families and good schooling - that will really help them play in the market. Creating these valuable resources, more than handing out money, will help alleviate our oppression of the poor.
(Update: new posts from St. Pierre and Sandefur. And guys, please try to spell Sandefur's name right.)
Friday, May 06, 2005
Thief or Oppressor?
(Update: Sandefur has seen fit to comment on the post below .. and he makes a good point. More later.)
For the last day or two, Mr. Sandefur (a lawyer) and Mr. St. Pierre (a Software Engineer) have been using their blogs to argue about libertarianism. This is not unusual for Sandefur, whose blog makes it clear that he is a staunch libertarian. Their argument centers on one of the key injustices that libertarians propose to fix: the theft implicit in paying for social programs with tax dollars.
Theft, you say? Yes, Mr. Sandefur rightly asserts. If the taxee does not agree to be taxed, taxation is theft. To enforce this point, let's suppose that while I'm walking home from work today, a robber leaps out from behind a garbage can.
He screams, "Give me all your money!"
"No," I say.
"Give me all your money, or I'll shoot you."
"OK," I say, and hand over my money.
Satisfied, the robber takes my money and leaves.
I continue my walk home, and soon an IRS agent approaches me. Crap. I missed the filing deadline.
"Pay your taxes," he says.
"No," I say.
"Pay your taxes or you're going to jail," he says.
"I'm not going to jail," I say.
"If you don't cooperate, I'll shoot you," he says.
"I didn't know that IRS agents got guns," I say.
"This is Texas," he says. "Everybody has a gun."
"Good point," I say, and write him a check.
Satisfied, the IRS agent takes my money and leaves.
Of course, the workings of government are a bit more convoluted than this. In particular, the fact that citizens vote for their representatives means that they have some input into how much they are taxed and what these revenues are used for. Also, there's the consideration that some of the taxes will be used for "public goods": things that all citizens derive benefits from (and, some might argue, derive those benefits in proportion to the amount of money that they put into the system). But if I'm in the minority, or if the system isn't working, and I decline to pay my taxes, the government has the option to come after me using force. I don't see how you can avoid equating this with robbery. Therefore, we shouldn't tax people because we might end up spending it on things they wouldn't approve of. Right?
Let's look at the other side of the argument.
First, let's suppose that both Sandefur and St. Pierre are correct in asserting that people are "greedy little beasts."
Second, let's suppose that at some level, life is a battle for resources. A resource is anything that can be used to fulfill a need or desire.
Third, let's observe that all resources can be used to get more resources. Examples: food, shelter, wit, knowledge, money, property, family connections, physical strength.
Fourth, let's notice that the people who are best suited to get resources are the people who already have resources.
If this is an accurate picture of the world, then it seems obvious that over time, the balance of resources will shift toward the people who begin with the most resources. And once people get into the well of No Resources, it will be difficult, if not impossible, to get out. Allowing this sort of oppression, I think, is morally unacceptable. Hence our dilemma.
And it's a textbook ethical dilemma: you're wrong if you steal from the rich, and you're wrong if you allow the rich to oppress the poor. So what should we do? I think we have to accept guilt on both sides and try to split the middle.
A government that allows resources to flow as they will avoids the problem of "theft" discussed earlier, but it would also result in a dramatically unbalanced distribution of resources. A government that enforced an equal distribution of resources ... well, it sounds fair, but communism just doesn't seem to work.
What seems to work? A government that allows an unequal distribution of resources, but occasionally steals from the (undeserving) rich and gives to the (equally undeserving) poor.
So instead of arguing about stealing and oppression, I'd like St. Pierre and Sandefur to suggest where a line might be drawn. How much stealing from the rich is too much? How much oppression of the poor?
For the last day or two, Mr. Sandefur (a lawyer) and Mr. St. Pierre (a Software Engineer) have been using their blogs to argue about libertarianism. This is not unusual for Sandefur, whose blog makes it clear that he is a staunch libertarian. Their argument centers on one of the key injustices that libertarians propose to fix: the theft implicit in paying for social programs with tax dollars.
Theft, you say? Yes, Mr. Sandefur rightly asserts. If the taxee does not agree to be taxed, taxation is theft. To enforce this point, let's suppose that while I'm walking home from work today, a robber leaps out from behind a garbage can.
He screams, "Give me all your money!"
"No," I say.
"Give me all your money, or I'll shoot you."
"OK," I say, and hand over my money.
Satisfied, the robber takes my money and leaves.
I continue my walk home, and soon an IRS agent approaches me. Crap. I missed the filing deadline.
"Pay your taxes," he says.
"No," I say.
"Pay your taxes or you're going to jail," he says.
"I'm not going to jail," I say.
"If you don't cooperate, I'll shoot you," he says.
"I didn't know that IRS agents got guns," I say.
"This is Texas," he says. "Everybody has a gun."
"Good point," I say, and write him a check.
Satisfied, the IRS agent takes my money and leaves.
Of course, the workings of government are a bit more convoluted than this. In particular, the fact that citizens vote for their representatives means that they have some input into how much they are taxed and what these revenues are used for. Also, there's the consideration that some of the taxes will be used for "public goods": things that all citizens derive benefits from (and, some might argue, derive those benefits in proportion to the amount of money that they put into the system). But if I'm in the minority, or if the system isn't working, and I decline to pay my taxes, the government has the option to come after me using force. I don't see how you can avoid equating this with robbery. Therefore, we shouldn't tax people because we might end up spending it on things they wouldn't approve of. Right?
Let's look at the other side of the argument.
First, let's suppose that both Sandefur and St. Pierre are correct in asserting that people are "greedy little beasts."
Second, let's suppose that at some level, life is a battle for resources. A resource is anything that can be used to fulfill a need or desire.
Third, let's observe that all resources can be used to get more resources. Examples: food, shelter, wit, knowledge, money, property, family connections, physical strength.
Fourth, let's notice that the people who are best suited to get resources are the people who already have resources.
If this is an accurate picture of the world, then it seems obvious that over time, the balance of resources will shift toward the people who begin with the most resources. And once people get into the well of No Resources, it will be difficult, if not impossible, to get out. Allowing this sort of oppression, I think, is morally unacceptable. Hence our dilemma.
And it's a textbook ethical dilemma: you're wrong if you steal from the rich, and you're wrong if you allow the rich to oppress the poor. So what should we do? I think we have to accept guilt on both sides and try to split the middle.
A government that allows resources to flow as they will avoids the problem of "theft" discussed earlier, but it would also result in a dramatically unbalanced distribution of resources. A government that enforced an equal distribution of resources ... well, it sounds fair, but communism just doesn't seem to work.
What seems to work? A government that allows an unequal distribution of resources, but occasionally steals from the (undeserving) rich and gives to the (equally undeserving) poor.
So instead of arguing about stealing and oppression, I'd like St. Pierre and Sandefur to suggest where a line might be drawn. How much stealing from the rich is too much? How much oppression of the poor?
Wednesday, May 04, 2005
Hendreschatology
will the wind ever remember
the names it has blown in the past?
and with its crush, its old age and its wisdom
it whispers no, this will be the last.
and the wind cries
Mary
the names it has blown in the past?
and with its crush, its old age and its wisdom
it whispers no, this will be the last.
and the wind cries
Mary
Monday, May 02, 2005
Journalistic Balance
Well, my wife just told me that Jeff's song is actually TEN times funnier when you hear the music, which, being translated, means: "Without the music, it's not really funny at all."
Bummer.
So as penitence for ruining a pretty funny song, and for repeatedly dogging on my Church of Christ heritage, I'm going to link you to something good that comes out of our tradition.
Manhattan Church of Christ Resources
The kiddy stuff is nice, I guess, but what you really want to peruse is A Community Without Barriers: Women in the NT and the Church Today. (Unless you speak Spanish, and then you want Una Comunidad sin Barreras. You'll probably also want to read the Spanish translation of this blog, which will be available just as soon as I become fluent in something other than Spanish curse-words.)
One of the nice things about our tradition is that it's very interested in knowledge, and also very interested in the Bible. This accounts for the fact that some of the world's best biblical manuscript scholars have come out of the Churches of Christ. (I'm sure there must be a better term than "biblical manuscript scholars", but you guys are going to have to help me on that one.) For me, this means that it's easier to respect the text while critiquing it, floating somewhere between the Bible-bashers and the Bible-worshipers.
A Community Without Barriers is a study guide written by Dr. Thomas L. Robinson, the senior minister of the Manhattan Church of Christ. It investigates what the NT has to say about women, giving particular attention to Jesus' interactions with them.
Robinson's guide is good because it encourages the church to realize the full humanity and equality of women. But it's really good because it does so without exploding the traditional Church of Christ hermeneutic. In other words, it doesn't flagrantly break any of our rules for interpreting the Bible, which makes it accessible to (the tradition's) moderates, and even some conservatives.
If you don't have time to read the full 120 pages, at least read the chapter summaries. Nothing earth-shattering there, but you might get hooked and read the whole thing.
Bummer.
So as penitence for ruining a pretty funny song, and for repeatedly dogging on my Church of Christ heritage, I'm going to link you to something good that comes out of our tradition.
Manhattan Church of Christ Resources
The kiddy stuff is nice, I guess, but what you really want to peruse is A Community Without Barriers: Women in the NT and the Church Today. (Unless you speak Spanish, and then you want Una Comunidad sin Barreras. You'll probably also want to read the Spanish translation of this blog, which will be available just as soon as I become fluent in something other than Spanish curse-words.)
One of the nice things about our tradition is that it's very interested in knowledge, and also very interested in the Bible. This accounts for the fact that some of the world's best biblical manuscript scholars have come out of the Churches of Christ. (I'm sure there must be a better term than "biblical manuscript scholars", but you guys are going to have to help me on that one.) For me, this means that it's easier to respect the text while critiquing it, floating somewhere between the Bible-bashers and the Bible-worshipers.
A Community Without Barriers is a study guide written by Dr. Thomas L. Robinson, the senior minister of the Manhattan Church of Christ. It investigates what the NT has to say about women, giving particular attention to Jesus' interactions with them.
Robinson's guide is good because it encourages the church to realize the full humanity and equality of women. But it's really good because it does so without exploding the traditional Church of Christ hermeneutic. In other words, it doesn't flagrantly break any of our rules for interpreting the Bible, which makes it accessible to (the tradition's) moderates, and even some conservatives.
If you don't have time to read the full 120 pages, at least read the chapter summaries. Nothing earth-shattering there, but you might get hooked and read the whole thing.
Monday, April 25, 2005
Church of Christ Anthem
Music and words by Jeff Wilhite. And believe me, it's twice as good with music. I mean singing.
Next time: Verse 2, wherein we all build gymnasiums, institute small groups and remove the "Church of Christ" from our signs, desperately hoping we'll be able to trick a few of those people who snuck over to the Baptists.
Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn
Ever'body's goin' to Hell
Burn, Burn, Burn, Burn
Hear those sinners yell.
They coulda got right when they had the chance,
But they had to go and smoke and cuss and dance.
Now all of those punks
Who didn't get dunked
Will be wishin' they had listened to us well.
Damn, Damn, Damn, Damn...
Next time: Verse 2, wherein we all build gymnasiums, institute small groups and remove the "Church of Christ" from our signs, desperately hoping we'll be able to trick a few of those people who snuck over to the Baptists.
Saturday, April 23, 2005
Turtles all the way down
Well holy crap. This makes sense.
For those of you who don't compulsively click on the first link in a post, I'll explain, summarize, and, of course, propagandize.
Doug Muder is a mathematician and author.included among his sterling works is that timeless classic, The Internet For Dummies. I'm sure you've all read it. Update: Oops. Doug posts a correction, which immediately brands me as a poor fact-checker. He didn't write the Internet For Dummies, but has co-authored several other "for dummies" books on Internet-related topics.
In addition to being good at explaining things, Doug Muder is a Unitarian Universalist and political liberal. He also reads a lot. And all of these qualities probably figure into his excellent essay, Red Family, Blue Family: Making sense of the values issue.
[click ... scroll scroll scroll scroll ... click back]
Hmm? That looks pretty long compared to most of the stuff you read on the Internets? Too true! There've gotta be at least a couple thousand words in there.
Boring? Not so! This piece is one of the most interesting things I've read in a while. It's actually a commentary that juxtaposes two books: Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think by George Lakoff, and Spirit and Flesh: Life in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church by James Ault. It pulls in a little cognitive psychology, a little religion, a little politics, and the result is fairly fascinating:
Using the stuff from Ault, Muder fine-tunes Lakoff's explanation of the split in the American psyche. He then makes some suggestions (I love this guy!) about how progressives should change their rhetoric, and maybe win an election or two.
So read it already!
(And please note: Much love and many kisses go to Philocrites for publicizing Mulder's article.)
For those of you who don't compulsively click on the first link in a post, I'll explain, summarize, and, of course, propagandize.
Doug Muder is a mathematician and author.
In addition to being good at explaining things, Doug Muder is a Unitarian Universalist and political liberal. He also reads a lot. And all of these qualities probably figure into his excellent essay, Red Family, Blue Family: Making sense of the values issue.
[click ... scroll scroll scroll scroll ... click back]
Hmm? That looks pretty long compared to most of the stuff you read on the Internets? Too true! There've gotta be at least a couple thousand words in there.
Boring? Not so! This piece is one of the most interesting things I've read in a while. It's actually a commentary that juxtaposes two books: Moral Politics: How Liberals and Conservatives Think by George Lakoff, and Spirit and Flesh: Life in a Fundamentalist Baptist Church by James Ault. It pulls in a little cognitive psychology, a little religion, a little politics, and the result is fairly fascinating:
Lakoff’s general approach, which he developed long before he started writing about politics, is to recognize that the human mind works in metaphors: Life is a struggle; business is a game; time is money - stuff like that. The mind casts every abstract idea in terms of more immediate experiences. Struggles, games, and money, in turn, have their own metaphoric interpretations, and (to make a long story short) it’s turtles all the way down. There’s no ground floor where we think of things as exactly what they are.
Using the stuff from Ault, Muder fine-tunes Lakoff's explanation of the split in the American psyche. He then makes some suggestions (I love this guy!) about how progressives should change their rhetoric, and maybe win an election or two.
So read it already!
(And please note: Much love and many kisses go to Philocrites for publicizing Mulder's article.)
Wednesday, April 20, 2005
A few chuckles
Wha? You'd like to read something amusing?
Try a column about the rising threat of Unitarian Jihad.
Or a long-awaited confession from the editors of Scientific American.
Or the General's take on Justice Sunday.
Try a column about the rising threat of Unitarian Jihad.
Or a long-awaited confession from the editors of Scientific American.
Or the General's take on Justice Sunday.
Tuesday, April 19, 2005
Gawd bless the USA!
I can't seem to escape this meme:
On top of that, I was having lunch with a friend last week who's in the middle of comprehensive exams for his M.Div. One of the topics he had to discuss with a faculty panel was "The Confessing Church in Germany during WWII." During the discussion, one of the panelists asked my friend an intricate question about the proper relationship between church and state, and then then shortened it to something like: "What does Focus on the Family have in common with the Nazi party?"
And finally, there's this blog, which shamelessly juxtaposes Christian and political ideas.
So I've been wondering. To what degree should we commingle our politics and our religion? If the good Rev. Swank wants to preach sermons on "God and the GOP", should we scold him? Should we waggle our fingers at churches that have American flags in their sanctuaries? Should Dubya be reprimanded for using religious language to burnish his political halo? For that matter, should Bill Clinton? And for presenting Jesus as a champion of liberal ideas, should I?
First, let's consider the aim of political speech. Most of us probably ascribe to some kind of marketplace of ideas theory, courtesy of Adam Smith, Charles Darwin and others. This theory says that the best mechanism for ensuring the triumph of good ideas is a sort of intellectual free market. So political speech is a way of endorsing well-known ideas or inserting new ones.
Of course, most of us probably also understand that a free market of ideas is an unrealistic ideal, just like free market capitalism and communism. Certain speech acts ought to be punishable by law (shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater), and certain other speech acts, not dangerous enough to prosecute, still ought to be flagged as "harmful to rational discourse."
Certain religious-political speech falls into this category. For example, try this peach from Randall Terry, who was the official spokesperson for Terri Schiavo's parents:
Even without the religious reference, this comment would be objectionable because it makes a desperate emotional appeal, attempting to move the discussion from the realm of calm discussion to the realm of screaming hysteria. The religious element simply exacerbates this problem.
In addition, this is a great example of jingoism, the marriage of religion and patriotism. It asserts that one's loyalty to God is inseparable from one's loyalty to the state. And as my M.Div buddy explained to me, this was a big problem for the church in Nazi Germany. In order to be able to critique the state, the church must continually insist that it is distinct from the state.
Now I don't mean that we should try to classify all of our activities as either "secular" or "religious", and I certainly don't mean that we should try to keep our faith from influencing which policies we support and which we reject. We simply need some guidelines to keep us honest, and to keep our marketplace of ideas in balance.
Paul provides some suggestions:
Are these good guidelines? Would you add anything? Remove anything? Clarify anything?
And how would politicians and activists like George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Martin Luther King, Jr. fare with respect to these guidelines?
- Paul at A Spiritual Diablog reflects on the political rantings of a rabidly conservative reverend.
- Forrest at American Bodhisattva is fairly appalled at the Family Research Council's advertisements for Justice Sunday,
- And he brings us a political cartoon from Bagley expressing similar disgust with the posturing of Frist and DeLay.
On top of that, I was having lunch with a friend last week who's in the middle of comprehensive exams for his M.Div. One of the topics he had to discuss with a faculty panel was "The Confessing Church in Germany during WWII." During the discussion, one of the panelists asked my friend an intricate question about the proper relationship between church and state, and then then shortened it to something like: "What does Focus on the Family have in common with the Nazi party?"
And finally, there's this blog, which shamelessly juxtaposes Christian and political ideas.
So I've been wondering. To what degree should we commingle our politics and our religion? If the good Rev. Swank wants to preach sermons on "God and the GOP", should we scold him? Should we waggle our fingers at churches that have American flags in their sanctuaries? Should Dubya be reprimanded for using religious language to burnish his political halo? For that matter, should Bill Clinton? And for presenting Jesus as a champion of liberal ideas, should I?
First, let's consider the aim of political speech. Most of us probably ascribe to some kind of marketplace of ideas theory, courtesy of Adam Smith, Charles Darwin and others. This theory says that the best mechanism for ensuring the triumph of good ideas is a sort of intellectual free market. So political speech is a way of endorsing well-known ideas or inserting new ones.
Of course, most of us probably also understand that a free market of ideas is an unrealistic ideal, just like free market capitalism and communism. Certain speech acts ought to be punishable by law (shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater), and certain other speech acts, not dangerous enough to prosecute, still ought to be flagged as "harmful to rational discourse."
Certain religious-political speech falls into this category. For example, try this peach from Randall Terry, who was the official spokesperson for Terri Schiavo's parents:
I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good...Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism. (quoted in the Fort Wayne News-Sentinel, Aug 16 1993)
Even without the religious reference, this comment would be objectionable because it makes a desperate emotional appeal, attempting to move the discussion from the realm of calm discussion to the realm of screaming hysteria. The religious element simply exacerbates this problem.
In addition, this is a great example of jingoism, the marriage of religion and patriotism. It asserts that one's loyalty to God is inseparable from one's loyalty to the state. And as my M.Div buddy explained to me, this was a big problem for the church in Nazi Germany. In order to be able to critique the state, the church must continually insist that it is distinct from the state.
Now I don't mean that we should try to classify all of our activities as either "secular" or "religious", and I certainly don't mean that we should try to keep our faith from influencing which policies we support and which we reject. We simply need some guidelines to keep us honest, and to keep our marketplace of ideas in balance.
Paul provides some suggestions:
I think this is exactly the manner in which faith constructively enters the realm of action, including politics:
- When it brings us personal strength and motivation.
- When it moves us in a spirit of good will and humility to engage in respectful dialogue with others as full brothers, sisters, and equals.
- When we recognize that God’s will is not something that we carry in our own hip pocket, but something that emerges in time as we constructively engage with the wider world.
In what sense should faith stay out of politics? When it’s not faith. When it’s politics posing as faith by making use of a lot of God-talk. In particular:
- When we identify the will of God with specific political agendas and platforms concerning which persons of good will may reasonably differ.
- Even worse, when we identify it with specific planks in the platform.
- Still worse, when we identify the will of God with planks that we help to install in the platform for the love of money and power.
Are these good guidelines? Would you add anything? Remove anything? Clarify anything?
And how would politicians and activists like George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and Martin Luther King, Jr. fare with respect to these guidelines?
Friday, April 15, 2005
About the Paris Hilton Tax
The estate tax! My congressman is fond of calling it the Death Tax, but given that it only affects 2% of estates per year, I think I might start calling it the Paris Hilton Tax. Or maybe just the Spoiled Rich Kid Tax? That deserves some thought. Because as Jonathan Weisman over at the Washington Post explains, nasty names and propaganda - not facts - have convinced some Americans that a permanent repeal of the Sugar Daddy Tax is in their best interests.
Admittedly, we should probably give some thought to the fairness of the Botox Tax: Is it fair to take more dollars from rich people than from poor people? (And how do we balance the desire for fairness with the desire for ... oh ... a financially solvent government?) But I think that most of us have already made up our minds on this issue. We're OK with an income tax, even if the percentage of the tax increases as one's income level increases.
So I'm forced to disagree with Frank Luntz, a Republican quoted in Weisman's article, when he says:
Wrong! The public does care about the size of the estate being taxed. But the public has been deceived into thinking that the bad old guv'ment is taxing granny's cute little house and her china tea set and her Gomer Bolstrood armoire. And as you might expect this opens the door for vote-grubbing-dunces who run stupid scare ads and use this as a campaign issue and eventually drive the government further into debt.
Maybe those sorts of people will go down with Tom DeLay. That would be nice.
"There's been a sustained, determined campaign of misinformation that in the end has left the American people with a very different notion of what the estate tax is and does than actually exists," [Representative Earl] Pomeroy said.
Admittedly, we should probably give some thought to the fairness of the Botox Tax: Is it fair to take more dollars from rich people than from poor people? (And how do we balance the desire for fairness with the desire for ... oh ... a financially solvent government?) But I think that most of us have already made up our minds on this issue. We're OK with an income tax, even if the percentage of the tax increases as one's income level increases.
So I'm forced to disagree with Frank Luntz, a Republican quoted in Weisman's article, when he says:
"The public doesn't believe people should be taxed at the time of death, whether they are paupers or billionaires. Compromise is very difficult because the public doesn't want it to exist."
Wrong! The public does care about the size of the estate being taxed. But the public has been deceived into thinking that the bad old guv'ment is taxing granny's cute little house and her china tea set and her Gomer Bolstrood armoire. And as you might expect this opens the door for vote-grubbing-dunces who run stupid scare ads and use this as a campaign issue and eventually drive the government further into debt.
Maybe those sorts of people will go down with Tom DeLay. That would be nice.
Tuesday, April 12, 2005
The beauty of XML syndication (part 2)
Also known as
Rather than give you all the hairy details about XML formatting and RSS data formats, I'm just going to give you some quick steps so that you can try it for yourselves.
Step 1: Download and install a news reading program such as Lektora.
I've tried several other aggregation programs (including FeedReader) and i like Lektora best because it runs from within my web browser.
From this point, my instructions will be for Lektora, but many of the steps will be the same with other news readers.
Step 2: Take a look at your Lektora newspaper.
When you install Lektora, two new buttons will appear in your web browser. The one that looks like a newspaper opens a list of news feeds. Lektora comes pre-configured with about 15 feeds, sorted into categories like News, Business and Sports. Clicking on one of the feeds in the left-hand pane will display the data from the feed in the right-hand pane.
The way this works is pretty simple. Let's say you want the headlines from the New York Times. Your news program sends a request to the NYTimes website for a particular web page that just *happens* to be in a format that your news reader understands. Usually, this special web page contains a headline and a summary of the story. In Lektora, when you click on the headline, a new window will open that displays the entire story.
Step 3: Once you've read a few news stories, you'll probably want to customize your feeds.
In Lektora, you can remove a feed by clicking on the Customize button at the top of the Lektora window, clicking the feed you want to remove, and finally clicking the Delete button at the top of the customization window.
Adding feeds is a little more complicated, but way cool.
On easy way to add a feed is to go to the web site and click the button labeled XML, RSS or ATOM. Some standard buttons are displayed below.

And news sites aren't the only web sites with feeds. Lots of blogs have them too. The feed button for this blog appears in the right-hand sidebar, and looks like this:
ATOM Site Feed
A lot of blogspot blogs have a feed, but don't include a link to it. For these sites, you can use Lektora's auto-discovery tool to try and find a feed. Just navigate to the web site and click the Lektora button with the image of the magnifying glass.
Lektora also provides you with several other ways to add feeds, but they're a bit more complicated. You can read about them once you've opened Lektora's customization window.
So there you go. XML syndication! If you want to know more about how it works, check out Wikipedia's articles on web syndication and news aggregators. And if you really want the nitty and the gritty, you might start with this article on the O'Reilly xml site. Or ignore all that "how it works" stuff and just play around with Lektora. Or FeedDemon. Or whatever.
The beauty of Captain Sizzle (part 2)
So I'm sure you're all wondering: how do I use XML syndication to make my life the utopia that those glossy magazine ads say it can be?Rather than give you all the hairy details about XML formatting and RSS data formats, I'm just going to give you some quick steps so that you can try it for yourselves.
Step 1: Download and install a news reading program such as Lektora.
I've tried several other aggregation programs (including FeedReader) and i like Lektora best because it runs from within my web browser.
From this point, my instructions will be for Lektora, but many of the steps will be the same with other news readers.
Step 2: Take a look at your Lektora newspaper.
When you install Lektora, two new buttons will appear in your web browser. The one that looks like a newspaper opens a list of news feeds. Lektora comes pre-configured with about 15 feeds, sorted into categories like News, Business and Sports. Clicking on one of the feeds in the left-hand pane will display the data from the feed in the right-hand pane.
The way this works is pretty simple. Let's say you want the headlines from the New York Times. Your news program sends a request to the NYTimes website for a particular web page that just *happens* to be in a format that your news reader understands. Usually, this special web page contains a headline and a summary of the story. In Lektora, when you click on the headline, a new window will open that displays the entire story.
Step 3: Once you've read a few news stories, you'll probably want to customize your feeds.
In Lektora, you can remove a feed by clicking on the Customize button at the top of the Lektora window, clicking the feed you want to remove, and finally clicking the Delete button at the top of the customization window.
Adding feeds is a little more complicated, but way cool.
On easy way to add a feed is to go to the web site and click the button labeled XML, RSS or ATOM. Some standard buttons are displayed below.


And news sites aren't the only web sites with feeds. Lots of blogs have them too. The feed button for this blog appears in the right-hand sidebar, and looks like this:
ATOM Site Feed
A lot of blogspot blogs have a feed, but don't include a link to it. For these sites, you can use Lektora's auto-discovery tool to try and find a feed. Just navigate to the web site and click the Lektora button with the image of the magnifying glass.
Lektora also provides you with several other ways to add feeds, but they're a bit more complicated. You can read about them once you've opened Lektora's customization window.
So there you go. XML syndication! If you want to know more about how it works, check out Wikipedia's articles on web syndication and news aggregators. And if you really want the nitty and the gritty, you might start with this article on the O'Reilly xml site. Or ignore all that "how it works" stuff and just play around with Lektora. Or FeedDemon. Or whatever.
Monday, April 11, 2005
The beauty of XML syndication (part 1)
Wait! Don't stop reading! XML syndication is really cool - it only *sounds* super boring. We just need to come up with a better name for it ... um ... how about Captain Sizzle? That sounds pretty exciting. Ok.
In my next post, I'll tell you how to save time and money with a free news aggregator.
The beauty of Captain Sizzle (part 1)
Right now, you probably use the following method to read your online news:- Open your web browser.
- Open the "Favorites" menu in your web browser.
- Open the "News" sub-menu from your favorites menu.
- Click on one of the news sites in the "News" menu.
- Attempt to read the news on that site while dodging popup ads and obnoxious graphics.
- Open the "Favorites" menu in your web browser.
- Open the "News" sub menu ...
- Open your web browser.
- Push a button. (A program known as a news aggregator then goes out to all the sites you've selected and checks for new content.)
- Peruse article headlines and summaries, and read the articles you're interested in.
In my next post, I'll tell you how to save time and money with a free news aggregator.
Monday's Headlines, Regurgitated
More trouble for our friend Tom DeLay!
In case you've missed it, previous trouble for our friend Tom DeLay!
Social Security privitization compared to Thatcher's failed plan!
And nobody much cares about the Homeland Security privacy officer...
In case you've missed it, previous trouble for our friend Tom DeLay!
Social Security privitization compared to Thatcher's failed plan!
And nobody much cares about the Homeland Security privacy officer...
Saturday, April 09, 2005
Hello, Sailor!
Matthew's meatspace Coordinates: (-99.76,32.39)
Welcome to Abilene, Texas!
Yes, Abilene is my own personal node in meatspace. Home to three Christian universities and a dozen dozen churches, it's the brainpan of the Bible belt. Smack-dab in the middle of West Texas, Abilene has no native trees but Mesquites. And a few really tall prickly pear cacti.
I mention this not to dog on Abilene, but to give my rants and ramblings a little context. If my Republicans seem a little like caricatures, it's because I live in a city of caricatures. Half the people drive pickup trucks and the other half drive SUVs. Every other vehicle has a "Bush/Cheney" sticker on its rear window. And as you might expect, it is illegal for a Democrat to own a ball-peen hammer.
Hails a lot, though.
I wonder if a Hummer fits into the average West Texas garage.
For college, I attended the university affiliated with the Church of Christ, a Christian denomination particularly prone to caricature. I also grew up in this tradition, and truth be told I like it pretty well. The Church of Christ has its shortcomings, but it’s going through some changes, I don’t figure it sucks any worse than any other denomination.
Hm. I keep typing “demon-ination” instead of “denom-ination”.
I wonder what Freud would say about that.
Welcome to Abilene, Texas!
Yes, Abilene is my own personal node in meatspace. Home to three Christian universities and a dozen dozen churches, it's the brainpan of the Bible belt. Smack-dab in the middle of West Texas, Abilene has no native trees but Mesquites. And a few really tall prickly pear cacti.
I mention this not to dog on Abilene, but to give my rants and ramblings a little context. If my Republicans seem a little like caricatures, it's because I live in a city of caricatures. Half the people drive pickup trucks and the other half drive SUVs. Every other vehicle has a "Bush/Cheney" sticker on its rear window. And as you might expect, it is illegal for a Democrat to own a ball-peen hammer.
Hails a lot, though.
I wonder if a Hummer fits into the average West Texas garage.
For college, I attended the university affiliated with the Church of Christ, a Christian denomination particularly prone to caricature. I also grew up in this tradition, and truth be told I like it pretty well. The Church of Christ has its shortcomings, but it’s going through some changes, I don’t figure it sucks any worse than any other denomination.
Hm. I keep typing “demon-ination” instead of “denom-ination”.
I wonder what Freud would say about that.
Thursday, April 07, 2005
Your Tax Dollars at Work
Faaaaascinating article on the Washington Post site about the president's Social Security "60 stops in 60 days" propaganda blitz - and how much it might be costing you, the American taxpayer.
Wha? And that's just the president's travel cost. Don't forget that the VP and other administration officials are also out there promoting the president's Social Security agenda. Again, from the Washington Post article:
So is it education or propaganda? Take a look at the administration's Social Security web site and see what you think.
In 2000, when jet fuel prices were lower, the GAO estimated that flying Air Force One cost $54,100 per hour, or $60,250 in today's dollars. So far, the president has traveled to Indiana, New Jersey, Kentucky, Alabama, Louisiana, Tennessee, Florida, Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa and West Virginia. That is enough, by commercial schedules, to take at least 30 hours, or $1.8 million.
Wha? And that's just the president's travel cost. Don't forget that the VP and other administration officials are also out there promoting the president's Social Security agenda. Again, from the Washington Post article:
And yesterday, Rep. Henry A. Waxman (Calif.), the ranking Democrat on the Government Reform Committee, formally asked the Government Accountability Office not only for the cost but also "whether the Bush Administration has crossed the line from education to propaganda."
So is it education or propaganda? Take a look at the administration's Social Security web site and see what you think.
Wednesday, April 06, 2005
Pulitzer Images
In case you missed them, here are some Pulitzer-prize winning images taken by Associated Press photographers in Iraq. (The Pulitzer site isn't exactly link-friendly, so click on the green 2005, select Breaking News Photography and then click the Works tab.)
If you're up for some lighter fare, select Editorial Cartooning from the Pulitzer 2005 site. You'll be able to enjoy some excellent cartoons commenting on the Iraq war and other political issues in these United States. (You can also view Nick Anderson's cartoons on the Courier-Journal web site.)
The cartoons, I think, tend to inflame readers and prod them into talking about topics such as the Iraq war, and Christianity, and SUVs.
The photos, on the other hand, inject some needed humility, and also some urgency, into our discussions. Photographs remind us that in Iraq, real people - both soldiers and civilians - continue to live in harm's way. And for these people, the war is something that can't be safely restricted to barbershops, bars and blogs.
Yes, there are other tragedies. And some of them are more wasteful and terrible than this war in Iraq. But this might be the one that US citizens are most responsible for.
If you're up for some lighter fare, select Editorial Cartooning from the Pulitzer 2005 site. You'll be able to enjoy some excellent cartoons commenting on the Iraq war and other political issues in these United States. (You can also view Nick Anderson's cartoons on the Courier-Journal web site.)
The cartoons, I think, tend to inflame readers and prod them into talking about topics such as the Iraq war, and Christianity, and SUVs.
The photos, on the other hand, inject some needed humility, and also some urgency, into our discussions. Photographs remind us that in Iraq, real people - both soldiers and civilians - continue to live in harm's way. And for these people, the war is something that can't be safely restricted to barbershops, bars and blogs.
Yes, there are other tragedies. And some of them are more wasteful and terrible than this war in Iraq. But this might be the one that US citizens are most responsible for.
Tuesday, April 05, 2005
Geo-Green? Sounds like a cleaning agent to me.
Then again, maybe it's supposed to.
The online magazine Grist has an interesting interview with New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. He's advocating an environmental and foreign policy called "geo-green". Basically, the idea is that the US should drastically reduce its dependence on fossil fuels, thereby forcing oil producers to diversify their economies and allowing for the spread of democracy.
He even advertises the strategy as appealing to conservative Christians:
Give it a read, check out Friedman's other stuff, tell me what you think.
The online magazine Grist has an interesting interview with New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman. He's advocating an environmental and foreign policy called "geo-green". Basically, the idea is that the US should drastically reduce its dependence on fossil fuels, thereby forcing oil producers to diversify their economies and allowing for the spread of democracy.
He even advertises the strategy as appealing to conservative Christians:
If you're obsessed with the right to life, you have to be obsessed with sustaining the environment -- that is also God's creation. He didn't create human beings to live in parking lots.
Give it a read, check out Friedman's other stuff, tell me what you think.
Saturday, April 02, 2005
To a Contemporary Bunkshooter
Spent a few minutes this weekend thumbing through a thick, red book of religious poetry. Found one by Carl Sandbug I hadn't read before. I don't think it's his best - it reads kind of like a letter to the editor - but it's better than any of that junk they print on funeral programs and get-well cards.
What? You want an excerpt?
What? You want an excerpt?
You come along squirting words at us, shaking your fist and calling us all damn fools so fierce the froth slobbers over your lips. . . always blabbing we're all going to hell straight off and you know all about it.
Now just go read the poem, willya?
Friday, April 01, 2005
That whole establishment clause
Dude, A.Lo just gave the best response EVER on this blog. Like, that post was so awesome, it makes all the other responses look like no responses at all. Rock on, A.Lo!
Among her salient points:
Yes. I agree with the younger Campolo's assertion that Christians should see the political process as a way to help the poor. But recently, I've realized that there may be a fine line between encouraging Christians to enter the political process and encouraging them to insist on a religious government. I've been involved in a little pissing match with Robert, who insists that church-state separation is a silly idea. (Robert and I are on a first-name basis, 'cause I don't give out my last name, and sometimes I don't even give out my first name.)
"Kiss the son, lest he be angry!" says Robert. And whatever else that might mean, it obviously means that the United States should declare an official religion. And Robert isn't the only one who thinks this is a good idea. There's a whole group of folks who are down with establishing a state religion. Oh, it's Christianity, of course.
But what about religious freedom?
Oh, a state religion won't affect the freedom of religion, Robert asserts. Just look at Egypt, he says! And Iraq! Their restrictions on the freedom of religion aren't so bad.
Of course, when I object to this characterization,he tells me he was really talking about England and Finland, who have state religions but don't place unacceptable restrictions on the freedom of religion.
England and Finland don't float either, though. Because what Robert wants is a state where the state religion is Christianity, and where that state religion directly and substantially affects public policy. Does this really happen in England? Not really. As far as I know, there are no such nations. And there's a reason for that. Whenever you combine religion and armed force, the result always seems to be religious persecution.
So let's be involved in the political process, but let's respect that First Amendment, too. 'Cause who wants the Southern Baptists in charge?
Among her salient points:
I talked with liberal Bart Campolo last night, and he's speaking at a rally this week to encourage young Christians to see politics as a way to help the poor.
Yes. I agree with the younger Campolo's assertion that Christians should see the political process as a way to help the poor. But recently, I've realized that there may be a fine line between encouraging Christians to enter the political process and encouraging them to insist on a religious government. I've been involved in a little pissing match with Robert, who insists that church-state separation is a silly idea. (Robert and I are on a first-name basis, 'cause I don't give out my last name, and sometimes I don't even give out my first name.)
"Kiss the son, lest he be angry!" says Robert. And whatever else that might mean, it obviously means that the United States should declare an official religion. And Robert isn't the only one who thinks this is a good idea. There's a whole group of folks who are down with establishing a state religion. Oh, it's Christianity, of course.
But what about religious freedom?
Oh, a state religion won't affect the freedom of religion, Robert asserts. Just look at Egypt, he says! And Iraq! Their restrictions on the freedom of religion aren't so bad.
Of course, when I object to this characterization,he tells me he was really talking about England and Finland, who have state religions but don't place unacceptable restrictions on the freedom of religion.
England and Finland don't float either, though. Because what Robert wants is a state where the state religion is Christianity, and where that state religion directly and substantially affects public policy. Does this really happen in England? Not really. As far as I know, there are no such nations. And there's a reason for that. Whenever you combine religion and armed force, the result always seems to be religious persecution.
So let's be involved in the political process, but let's respect that First Amendment, too. 'Cause who wants the Southern Baptists in charge?
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