Wednesday, August 31, 2005

My Son John

Departing from the buoyant subject of Diablog, Stu sent me a song performed by Boiled in Lead. I assume it is an Irish folk song.

One stanza in particular stands out:

All foreign wars I'll now denounce
'Twixt this king of England or that king of France
I'd rather my legs as they used to be
Than the King of Spain and his whole navy

This pretty well sums up my opinion about the value of this war in Iraq.

13 comments:

Paul said...

Yeah, it was a really well-thought-out war. History is bound to say that much.

cp said...

I was against the war in the first place for various reasons, but don't you think it is about time people stop debating the merits of the war and start talking about what to do next?

Matthew said...

I don't think we can move forward until this administration admits first, that it screwed Iraq up, second, that Iraq is moving toward civil war, and third, that we need significant help from the UN and its member nations.

As long as the Bush administration insists that it has things under control, people have a responsibility to say, "No, you don't. You don't have enough manpower and you don't have a plan, and as a consequence, people are being killed. Go get help."

cp said...

In this case, we have about 3 years. Presidents and their administrations don't admit these types of egregious problems, they just dump them on the next one. The problem I see is that many of the people that have been saying get more troops and help have given up and are now starting to put forth the idea that we should just leave.

Matthew said...

I'm not yet convinced that we can leave. We have a responsibility to clean up the mess we made.

However, some people, including this WWII veteran, think differently. We pulled out of Vietnam and Korea, why not Iraq, and the sooner the better?

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cp said...

Couldn't resist a good history lesson, but too often bad history gets used for bad reasoning. We pulled out of South Korea after a war was over. Yes, there isn't a treaty but a ceasefire for decades counts for me. We pulled out of Vietnam but there was an able and mostly popular government to take charge biting at our evacuating behinds. A quick example about how we look at history through distorted lenses, look at WWII. People always cite the Holocaust to talk about our nobel cause in WWII, but we didn't go to war to help Jews; just happened to be a wonderful consequence.